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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

régalien

English translation:

state

Added to glossary by Hermien Desaivre
Jan 18, 2019 09:52
5 yrs ago
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French term

régalien

French to English Bus/Financial Finance (general) cost allocation
I know this term has come up, but I don't believe the solutions offered fit my context.

Veuillez clarifier les points suivants concernant l’analyse de la valeur actuelle nette (VAN) pour l’aéroport de XXX préparée par le BiPE:
Les « charges de personnel (hors *régalien*) » sont estimées à XX% des « charges de personnel TOTAL ».

This is for an airport.

TIA
Proposed translations (English)
3 +3 state
References
fwiw/hth

Discussion

writeaway Jan 18, 2019:
You certainly haven't made a fool of yourself! Asking is never ever foolish but when one doesn't reveal what one's own results have shown and what the doubts or hesitations are, it looks like no effort has been made before posting. Such info is often helpful to those who want to help with the question. It used to be required info but has been relegated from a 'rule' to a 'guideline'.
Hermien Desaivre (asker) Jan 18, 2019:
@writeaway As I said, I know this term has come up – I searched Proz and elsewhere, but I felt unsure about the term and thought it worth asking again. Thanks @Charles for confirming that I've understood it correctly. I would rather make a fool of myself on Proz than send my client a translation of which I am not entirely sure. I very rarely post questions on Proz, only when I have exhausted all other options. Thanks to everyone who has contributed and commented.
writeaway Jan 18, 2019:
What has your own research shown? And what country is this from??
Hermien Desaivre (asker) Jan 18, 2019:
tâches régaliennes Since I now also have "tâches régaliennes", I am starting to think that this refers to governmental duties at the airport - so such staff would be customs staff, security police etc, I guess? Then "hors régalien" could mean not to count the expense for staff performing governmental tasks?
Hermien Desaivre (asker) Jan 18, 2019:
More context The text also contains
« Achats et impôts (hors *régalien*) - Retraité des quote part *régaliennes* »
And later:
Veuillez distinguer les personnels affectés à des tâches *régaliennes* des autres personnels.

Proposed translations

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state

I think you're right, except that I would say that in principle it's the state rather than the government.

Obviously it can mean royal or kingly, and by extension "sovereign" has been suggested in previous questions, but there are one or two that point us in the right direction, I think:
"fonctions régaliennes - central administrative functions"
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/management/2868...

And here "Assurer une mission régalienne de l'état" is translated as "To carry out an official mission for the French state" or "to carry out an official state mission"
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/transport-trans...

Well, Larousse's 2nd definition is helpful here:

"régalien, regalienne
2. Se dit des fonctions politiques et administratives (police, défense, etc.) qui dépendent directement de l'État ou de son représentant suprême : Ministères régaliens."
https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/régalien/6759...

In relation to airports you can talk about state/non-state investment, loans or expenses, and I think you can also refer to state personnel/staff costs with this meaning.

Here's a French document on an airport showing how "régalien" and "hors régalien" are distinguished in the accounts:
http://cdciledere.fr/sites/default/files/conseil-communautai...
Peer comment(s):
agree writeaway : ref again shows how reliable Bourth is (and was on Kudoz). Searching the glossary should be step 1
7 mins
Doesn't it just! A great loss. Thanks!
agree Ph_B (X) : « Qui relève de l'autorité souveraine [réf. au « peuple souverain », en France]. Les missions régaliennes de l'État. » (Robert)
29 mins
Thanks! I should have looked at Robert. (I've just dug out my Petit Robert, which I bought as a student, but it doesn't include that definition. Sometimes you need the big one.)
agree B D Finch
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Thanks!
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Reference comments

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Reference:

fwiw/hth

RÉGALIEN, IENNE (adj.)[ré-ga-liin, liè-n'] Droits régaliens, droits qui sont propres aux rois et aux souverains, tels que faire des lois, accorder des grâces, battre monnaie, etc. Maisons régaliennes, celles qui descendent d'anciens rois.
régalien : définition de régalien et synonymes de régalien (français)
dictionnaire.sensagent.leparisien.fr/régalien/fr-fr/

Duhaime's Law Dictionary

Jura Regalia Definition:
Rights which belong to the Crown or to the Government.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/J/JuraRegalia.aspx
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