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S_G_C
Romania
Local time: 18:48
English to Romanian
Just wondering...
Why include this: Non-members may quote after 12 hours in your job offer, when you don't give them a chance anyhow?
I've had my fair share of attempts, yet no reply...
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:48
Member (2008)
Italian to English
Sorana_M. wrote:
Just wondering...
Why include this: Non-members may quote after 12 hours in your job offer, when you don't give them a chance anyhow?
I've had my fair share of attempts, yet no reply...
If it's any comfort to you, I have been a paying member of Proz since 2008 and have responded probably hundreds of times to these job offers. I have never, ever, received a reply.
| | | | Gerard de Noord 
France
Local time: 17:48
Member (2003)
English to Dutch
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"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
I have no idea whom I'm quoting.
Cheers,
Gerard
| | | | S_G_C
Romania
Local time: 18:48
English to Romanian
TOPIC STARTER
Tom in London wrote:
If it's any comfort to you, I have been a paying member of Proz since 2008 and have responded probably hundreds of times to these job offers. I have never, ever, received a reply.
It is, actually, thank you.
On the other hand, if a paying member like you has sent hundreds of answers, yet never got a reply... what are these, bogus offers?
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Jean Lachaud
United States
Local time: 11:48
English to French
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| Welcome to the club! | May 2, 2020 |
Sorana_M. wrote:
On the other hand, if a paying member like you has sent hundreds of answers, yet never got a reply... what are these, bogus offers?
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Sorana_M. wrote:
On the other hand, if a paying member like you has sent hundreds of answers, yet never got a reply... what are these, bogus offers?
Perhaps a few are bogus, but in many cases those who post on the board are mostly interested in paying as little as possible. When they ask for your 'best price', it isn't worth the trouble to answer unless you're happy working for a pittance.
I do have a couple of good regular clients I found via the job board, though, so I would not write it off. But you do have to be a good match for what the client is looking for. That occasionally happens.
| | | | Kevin Fulton
United States
Local time: 11:48
German to English
| Plenty of candidates within a short time | May 3, 2020 |
The way the job postings are set up, Proz members get an immediate opportunity to reply to job offers. That's how the system is supposed to work.
Based on my own experience in another non-translator environment, a few years ago when I posted an opportunity for a temporary in-house office assistant, I received so many offers from qualified candidates that I had to take down the posting after about an hour. I wasn't able to reply to most respondents, although I indicated to the first... See more The way the job postings are set up, Proz members get an immediate opportunity to reply to job offers. That's how the system is supposed to work.
Based on my own experience in another non-translator environment, a few years ago when I posted an opportunity for a temporary in-house office assistant, I received so many offers from qualified candidates that I had to take down the posting after about an hour. I wasn't able to reply to most respondents, although I indicated to the first few that I might contact them if I needed more help.
Although I don't participate in the Proz job search, I think most posted offers are genuine, although like others, I suspect that the race is to the swiftest – and cheapest. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Thayenga
Germany
Local time: 17:48
Member (2009)
English to German
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| Once in a while | May 3, 2020 |
You can find serious job posts here that come from agencies or direct clients who are seriously interested in a long-term collaboration with suitable translators. They are willing to pay a fair rate.
As Thomas has pointed out, the "best price/rate" job posts are only willing to pay one or two cents per word, or maybe three dollars per audio minute. Submitting an offer to those is definitely a waste of time.
In my 11 years of being a paying member I did find a couple of ... See more You can find serious job posts here that come from agencies or direct clients who are seriously interested in a long-term collaboration with suitable translators. They are willing to pay a fair rate.
As Thomas has pointed out, the "best price/rate" job posts are only willing to pay one or two cents per word, or maybe three dollars per audio minute. Submitting an offer to those is definitely a waste of time.
In my 11 years of being a paying member I did find a couple of very good clients through the job board, even one end-client. The majority of my quotes, however, were unanswered. Still, there is a chance of finding clients on here, but you have to read the posts attentively and hope that you are a perfect match for the prospective customer. Usually the good posters receive several dozens of quotes, which minimizes your chances of become their business partner. ▲ Collapse
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Samuel Murray
Netherlands
Local time: 17:48
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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Sorana_M. wrote:
Why include this: Non-members may quote after 12 hours in your job offer, when you don't give them a chance anyhow? I've had my fair share of attempts, yet no reply...
Have you also "attempted" while being a paying member? No? Then how do you know that the reason you're getting no reply is because you are not a paying member? Non-winning bids/quotes rarely receive any reply, regardless of membership category.
| | | | Sheila Wilson
Spain
Local time: 16:48
Member (2007)
English
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| Not blocked, just late to the party | May 3, 2020 |
Sorana_M. wrote:
Why include this: Non-members may quote after 12 hours in your job offer, when you don't give them a chance anyhow?
That sounds like you think you're being blocked, that you're being prevented from having a chance.
I'm sure you aren't. ProZ.cm has nothing to gain by that.
I've had my fair share of attempts, yet no reply...
Others have explained why -- most jobs will have been assigned in the first hour. If you were to become a paying member then you'd be able to quote just as soon as you manage to press "send". That would substantially improve your chances of a reply. But even then, few potential clients will reply just to turn you down. So if the way you write your quote, the facts you give (in the quote, your CV, profile...), your rate, or anything else at all doesn't match what they want, you won't hear anything. Although I don't keep statistics I know that the majority of my quotes go unanswered. But not all. And some of the responders have gone on to become regular clients.
| | | | S_G_C
Romania
Local time: 18:48
English to Romanian
TOPIC STARTER
Thomas T. Frost wrote:
Perhaps a few are bogus, but in many cases those who post on the board are mostly interested in paying as little as possible. When they ask for your 'best price', it isn't worth the trouble to answer unless you're happy working for a pittance.
The "best price" is another issue, which may or may not be combined with the "quoting after 12 hours" aspect...
This has been discussed before, but how can you expect someone who is a paying member to work for a pittance?
| | | | S_G_C
Romania
Local time: 18:48
English to Romanian
TOPIC STARTER
Samuel Murray wrote:
Have you also "attempted" while being a paying member? No? Then how do you know that the reason you're getting no reply is because you are not a paying member? Non-winning bids/quotes rarely receive any reply, regardless of membership category.
I have never been a paying member.
What I have tried, though - just to see whether I might be right - is quoting with different rates. Like throwing in the (in)famous "best rate" and see whether that changes things.
As nothing happened, I can't agree with you.
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Tea Komšić
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 17:48
English to Croatian
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| I thought this only happens to me | May 3, 2020 |
Thayenga wrote:
In my 11 years of being a paying member I did find a couple of very good clients through the job board, even one end-client. The majority of my quotes, however, were unanswered. Still, there is a chance of finding clients on here, but you have to read the posts attentively and hope that you are a perfect match for the prospective customer. Usually the good posters receive several dozens of quotes, which minimizes your chances of become their business partner.
Reading your post, and posts of other colleagues, this makes me feel a little bit better. Why? Because I started paying Proz at the beginning of this year (my first investment, if you can call it like this), and since then, I have been quoting on a daily basis. I have sent hundreds and hundreds of quotes and emails, and received about 3 answers. Maybe it is just the beginning, but I seriously thought this happens only to me, and that I do not have such luck.
| | | | S_G_C
Romania
Local time: 18:48
English to Romanian
TOPIC STARTER
Sheila Wilson wrote:
That sounds like you think you're being blocked, that you're being prevented from having a chance.
I'm sure you aren't. ProZ.cm has nothing to gain by that.
I wasn't implying Proz had anything to do with it.
It's not Proz posting those job offers, is it?
If most jobs are assigned during the first hour, this simply nullifies the "non-members may quote after 12 hours" mention.
Like... I, the job poster, will definitely find a suitable candidate among the paying members who will get to quote first, but I still make the non-paying members believe they too stand a chance?
It makes no sense to me.
| | | | ATIL KAYHAN
Türkiye
Local time: 18:48
Member (2007)
Turkish to English
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| What Color is Your Parachute? | May 3, 2020 |
When you apply for any kind of job, it is extremely rare to get a response when you do not get the job. That has already been mentioned above. That is why you do not get any response. The 12-hour time difference is only fair to give ProZ members a slight edge in quoting for jobs. Otherwise, members and nonmembers would be equal in applying for jobs, which may be unfair to ProZ members. That is why there is a 12-hour advantage, as we all know.
I once read a book by Richard N. Bo... See more When you apply for any kind of job, it is extremely rare to get a response when you do not get the job. That has already been mentioned above. That is why you do not get any response. The 12-hour time difference is only fair to give ProZ members a slight edge in quoting for jobs. Otherwise, members and nonmembers would be equal in applying for jobs, which may be unfair to ProZ members. That is why there is a 12-hour advantage, as we all know.
I once read a book by Richard N. Bolles titled What Color is Your Parachute? The book is all about job search. Richard N. Bolles describes that a typical job search goes likes this:
No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - No - Yes! ▲ Collapse
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