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Oct 5, 2005 09:26
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German term

Kolbenmaschine

German to English Tech/Engineering Food & Drink
"Wie haben Sie zuvor Kaffee vorbereitet? [i.e. before they bought the coffee machine in question]

Vollautomatenmaschine
Löslicher Kaffee
Kolbenmaschine
[...]"

This is from a Swiss market research report about coffee machines. Can anyone tell me what exactly is meant by "Kolbenmaschine"? Is that that plunger contraption?

Many thanks


Ian
Proposed translations (English)
3 -2 Plunger
4 +6 NO
3 +6 pump espresso maker
4 +2 manual piston-type espresso maker
3 +3 piston machine
4 +1 yep
4 +1 lever operated espresso machine/piston operated espresso machine
4 caftiere
4 -2 French press--yes
Change log

Oct 5, 2005 10:33: Steffen Walter changed "Term asked" from "Coffee machines" to "Kolbenmaschine "

Discussion

IanW (X) (asker) Oct 10, 2005:
@Hilary I think that's pretty clear from the colourful discussion below - and if not, there's always your note. I deliberately didn't put this in the glossary for that reason. (Query: could it be a usage peculiar to Switzerland?)
Hilary Davies Shelby Oct 10, 2005:
Don't want to open the can of worms again, but i think it's important to put a note somewhere (for future ref) to show that this is an unusual (if not erroneous) use of the word "Kolbenmaschine", and that it's not usually translated as "French press".
IanW (X) (asker) Oct 10, 2005:
@ Alan OK, no problem :-)
IanW (X) (asker) Oct 10, 2005:
@ Alan Re your first added note: I did in fact call my question "Kolbenmaschine", not "coffee machines" - the latter was the description of the general nature of my text. And what do you mean in saying that my question was "particularly badly phrased this time" - are my questions usually badly phrased?
IanW (X) (asker) Oct 6, 2005:
OK ... Thanks all round for your input. I have sent the translation off, with a note to the customers that I have translated "Kolbenmaschine" as "French press" in the assumption that this refers to the devices shown under the following link: http://www.espressozone.com/french-press-coffee-makers.html. If this isn't the case, I will be informed, and I will add another note here to that effect. Thanks all round!
Michele Fauble Oct 6, 2005:
A 'Kolbenmaschine' seems to be a lever/piston operated or pump-driven espresso machine.
Michele Fauble Oct 6, 2005:
The German for French press is 'Kaffeebereiter' (for example, those made by Bodum).
Brie Vernier Oct 5, 2005:
@jc et al.: Unter French Press versteht man eine bestimmte Br�hmethode f�r Kaffee, bzw. die auch Presstempelkanne oder Kaffeedr�cker genannte Kaffeekanne, die dabei zum Einsatz kommt. http://lexikon.freenet.de/French_Press
jccantrell Oct 5, 2005:
OK, then to settle this, what is the GERMAN for French press?
Maria Tokumaru (X) Oct 5, 2005:
I agree with Michele -- just use espresso machine, otherwise the poor readers of the report will be going through the same thing we are now ;o) .
Michele Fauble Oct 5, 2005:
A 'Kolbenmaschine' seems to be simply an espresso machine, whether lever/piston operated or "automatic".
Stephen Sadie Oct 5, 2005:
@asker: exactly my answer BTW as the French Press and the Plunger are identical as can be read in the reference I quoted (despite those vicious disagrees)
Stephen Sadie Oct 5, 2005:
@writeaway: not espresso, read what the asker has written please!
Ian M-H (X) Oct 5, 2005:
With Hilary + writeaway + Brie: have you found any examples at all of a Kolbenmaschine being a plunger wotsit? We've found dozens for various devices featuring electricity + pumps/pistons...
Brie Vernier Oct 5, 2005:
With Hilary 200%.
Hilary Davies Shelby Oct 5, 2005:
I'd think you were right if i'd found any pictures of a French press when googling Kolbenmaschine...
writeaway Oct 5, 2005:
I hasten to add her Swiss reference
writeaway Oct 5, 2005:
then how do you explain (away) Hilary's ref with picture?
IanW (X) (asker) Oct 5, 2005:
French press Now I'm convinced that it's a French press: http://www.espressozone.com/french-press-coffee-makers.html - what do y'all think?
lucasm (X) Oct 5, 2005:
Two points I just wanted to mention. Swiss coffee, like French coffee, is often simply watered-down espresso. Secondly, what sets off bells and whistles for me is the list itself: instant, automatic, manual--a key question for every coffee drinker.
Ian M-H (X) Oct 5, 2005:
Whether it's pump or piston in the end, these machines can also be used for espresso-derivatives - and, although I'd agree that a "Maschine" isn't necessarily a "machine", every single "Kolbenmaschine" I've found is more than a jug and a plunger.
Stephen Sadie Oct 5, 2005:
Thanks Ian, it's sometimes tough struggling against the tide here whilst endeavouring to find an appropriate answer.
IanW (X) (asker) Oct 5, 2005:
Two points to add to the confusion Thanks for all the input so far. Two points, though: firstly, we're not talking about espresso here, rather normal coffee. Secondly, I agree with Stephen about the "machine" - I don't necessary feel that an automatic machine is meant here, but rather a "maker".
lucasm (X) Oct 5, 2005:
Hi Ian, "l�slicher Kaffee" is always the instant crap, aka "Sanka" in the States. Do give Brie's answer a second look and compare to the context, I'd wager a lot on it...
Stephen Sadie Oct 5, 2005:
Ian: I am not yet convinced. What kind of new machine is it? Sirely it wouldn't be purchased to replace a similar machine. And what is a "machine" here? The plunger must find some mention in the list as it is very common. This is like a jigsaw!
Terence Ajbro Oct 5, 2005:
In Denmark they are called "Bodum" stempelkaffekande. It might be a Danish invention, not French.
Hilary Davies Shelby Oct 5, 2005:
I don't think this is right... I don't think it means a French Press, which I think is what you're thinking of - see my answer for more info.
IanW (X) (asker) Oct 5, 2005:
Translation? OK, thanks guys - but what are they called in English? (And, which we're at it, does "l�slicher Kaffee" always refer to instant coffee � la Nescaf� or is it broader than that?)
Terence Ajbro Oct 5, 2005:
yes a plunger, don't know what you call them in English though. Never seen them in the UK either (at least not in the West Midlands).

Proposed translations

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19 mins
German term (edited): Coffee machines
Selected

Plunger

s your office out growing your coffee machine? 5. Subscriber Winner ... Buy a 6 cup coffee plunger for your home, office, entertaining room or just for fun ...
www.gilkatho.com.au/faqs/ViewItem.asp?ID=432 - 78k - Im Cache - Ähnliche Seiten

Or plunger pot or press-pot or French Press coffee machine:

Also known as the plunger pot or press-pot, this stylish coffee maker is ... However, the French Press coffee machine is not completely absent of some ...
www.ringsurf.com/info/Food/Coffee/Coffee_Makers/French_Pres... - 17k - Im Cache - Ähnliche Seiten

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I absolutely disagree, please refer to my second reference. I think the question at issue is the definition of the word "machine". I view this as a "machine" and it fits well into the asker's context. The various coffee machines are described in detail there:

For many coffee aficionados, using a French Press coffee maker to brew a cup of coffee is fantastic due to the ceremony involved. Additionally, the French Press coffee maker produces a richer, heavier-bodied, fuller-flavored cup of coffee compared to other types of coffee makers. The coffee brewed with a Plunger is steaming hot and contains a great aroma. The French Press coffee maker is also an excellent way to prepare and serve coffee in one device. It does not take a long time to brew a pot of coffee using the French Press coffee maker with estimates stating that it will take between 5 and 8 minutes to brew four cups of coffee.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Ian M-H (X) : Definitely not a plunger pot. // Classifying disagrees as "vicious" doesn't alter the fact that, at the time of my writing this, no one has pointed to any evidence for KM being used to mean a plunger, whereas there are plenty of refs for pump/piston.
2 mins
depenz like on ze machine definition
neutral Hilary Davies Shelby : heheh we've just been through all this, see earlier answers for evolution and eureka ;-)//Absolutely. I wholeheartedly support your right to be wrong ;-)))
21 mins
am i still allowed a different opinion? see my ref.!// or to be "write"?
disagree lucasm (X) : with Ian and Hilary.
51 mins
this very common method fits the original context
neutral writeaway : there is such a thing as a coffee maker, but this ain't it. http://www.espressozone.com/ espresso machine seems to be used much more and see the ref for the difference
1 hr
how can you be so sure? please substantiate
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for all the input from everyone on this question. Going on the rest of the text, I am convinced that simply a "French press" is meant. And as I haven't heard anything to the contrary from the customer, I presume this was correct. Thanks again!"
+1
2 mins

yep

That's the one.

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Note added at 2005-10-05 09:36:23 (GMT)
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Sorry Ian (Winick). But I think your question was particulrly badly phrased this time. You should have called your question \"Kolbenmaschine\" and not \"coffee machines\". You just confuse everybody doing that.

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Note added at 2005-10-05 09:50:04 (GMT)
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It is obviously a piston-driven coffe machine (common just before the IC engine was invented)

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Note added at 2005-10-05 11:33:14 (GMT)
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I think it\'s a piston-engine.

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Note added at 2005-10-06 06:39:12 (GMT)
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I think you\'re all crazee!

Ian, I hope you work this out in the end :-)

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Note added at 2005-10-10 04:51:17 (GMT)
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@ Ian: Yes. No. Don\'t know. Sorry, my mistake. I could have sworn the question was entitled \"coffes machines\". And no, of course your questions are not usually badly phrased. :-)
Peer comment(s):
agree Stephen Sadie
1 min
neutral Ian M-H (X) : I'm not disagreeing, but I'm not convinced - look at e.g. http://www.kaffee-seite.de/solis-crema-sl90-schwarzsilber-es... and tell me where the plunger is!
3 mins
It's hidden behind modern technology :-)
neutral Hilary Davies Shelby : i dont think this is right either, i think you're thinking of a Bodum
4 mins
Naaah.
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6 mins
German term (edited): Coffee machines

caftiere

Called a cafetiere in england :)

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Note added at 7 mins (2005-10-05 09:33:58 GMT)
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edit:
"cafetiere", sorry.
Peer comment(s):
neutral writeaway : not if you look at the picture in Hilary's ref
2 mins
indeed, looked at alan's response and looked for the right word
neutral Terence Ajbro : I'm sure my sister has never heard of the word!
2 mins
neutral Ian M-H (X) : If it were a plunger you'd be right, but it's a machine
4 mins
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5 mins
German term (edited): Coffee machines

NO

I think you're thinking of a French Press (like a glass jug with a plunger in the handle, made by Bodum, etc?)

This is a Kolbenmaschine - god only knows what it's called in English though!
http://www.cojito.de/shop.Solis Crema SL90 Schwarz-Silber Es...


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Note added at 13 mins (2005-10-05 09:39:44 GMT)
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OK, French Press/Cafetiere/Bodum are all the same thing http://www.ineedcoffee.com/99/05/frenchpress/ but this is NOT a Kolbenmaschine.

Unfortunately I still don't know what a Kolbenmaschine is called in English ;-)))

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Note added at 17 mins (2005-10-05 09:44:11 GMT)
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Right. I think it's called a Pump Coffee Machine, as opposed to a Drip Coffee Machine (the kind that every office and German household has, with the filter papers, etc).
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00068XBP2/026-5470...
Peer comment(s):
agree writeaway : just an automatic espresso machine, non? they always have xx bar (a serious espresso machine starts at 15). that's the pressure bit
2 mins
i think it must be, thanks!
agree Ian M-H (X) : You found the same machine I did. Perhaps something with "piston" or "pressure"... // Maybe just "(pump) espresso machine"... http://www.jlhufford.com/detail.asp?product_id=sol-sl90
2 mins
aye - i'll google a bit more - "piston" was my first thought too.
agree Cilian O'Tuama : French press coffee brewer/machine // oh alright, but you can keep the agree
3 mins
its not called a French press, that's the jug n plunger kind. Thanks for the agree, though!
agree Francis Lee (X) : I also think it's simply an "espresso machine" - if writeaway can be bothered to post it up there ...
10 mins
Pump Coffee Machine, apparently ;-) Thanks for the Agree!
agree Eckhard Boehle : Yes, Pump coffee machine
28 mins
thank you!
neutral Stephen Sadie : this doesn't honestly fit, sorry. "maschine" just means "maker"//no, pls. consider the kolben being the bit pushed manually
1 hr
so my answer is wrong because it includes the word "machine"?
agree Michele Fauble : 'Kolbenmaschine' = 'espresso machine' ('pump-driven' or 'lever/piston operated') A French press is a 'Kaffeebereiter'.
20 hrs
thanks Michele, I have also found the simple "kaffeekanne" on the Boden site too.
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18 mins

pump espresso maker

At last... I think we've got it:

http://www.comfortchannel.com/prod.itml/icOid/4752



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Note added at 19 mins (2005-10-05 09:46:15 GMT)
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(But feel free to give Hilary the points!)


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Note added at 20 mins (2005-10-05 09:47:38 GMT)
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(Entered separately 'cos I've got no more room in Hilary's box.)

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Note added at 1 hr 58 mins (2005-10-05 11:25:36 GMT)
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@Stephen re machine vs maker: as a rule, I'd say that ordinary people refer to them as "machines" most of the time, whereas the people trying to sell them sometimes call them "makers". The discussion doesn't really help to resolve the pump/piston q

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Note added at 1 hr 59 mins (2005-10-05 11:26:12 GMT)
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estion, which is what this now appears to have boiled (sorry) down to.
Peer comment(s):
agree James Johnson : isnt a pump espresso machine one where you build up the pressure manually? hilary's looked more like an automatic contraption
3 mins
I think the ones being talked about are automatic - see my link. Maybe Ian should opt for "Magic Cappuccino Machine" ;-))
agree Maria Tokumaru (X) : Also pump-driven espresso machine. http://www.delonghi-products.com/delonghi-bar42e-espresso-ma... and everything you'll ever need to know about espresso machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso_machine
14 mins
Wikipedia gets better every day - thanks for the link!
agree Eckhard Boehle
17 mins
agree Hilary Davies Shelby : i think youre right ;-)
23 mins
You say the sweetest things... ;-)
neutral Stephen Sadie : this doesn't honestly fit, sorry. "maschine" just means "maker"//why can't it be a manual item?
1 hr
Maybe that's why my answer includes the word "maker"
agree Michele Fauble : 'Kolbenmaschine' = 'espresso machine' ('pump-driven' or 'lever/piston operated') A French press is a 'Kaffeebereiter'.
15 hrs
Thanks - let's hope Asker can resolve this to his client's satisfaction!
agree writeaway : this also would have been good. as long as the answer chosen is not entered into the glossary, it's just a case of 'all's fair in love and war'. ;-)
4 days
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1 hr

manual piston-type espresso maker

Brie defined the term exactly, but I just wanted to add this variant. It should please those who don't like to see "machine" in the English version as well.

My personal context:
Forever, for ages, for a really long time I've wanted a piston-type espresso machine, but the things cost a bundle and I'm not exactly sure what the tax office would say if I tried to write one off. You can see one of these in the movie "The Fly" with Jeff Goldblum--anybody remember that one? As for other sources, they're all over the net.

Points, of course, go to Brie.

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Note added at 2 hrs 1 min (2005-10-05 11:27:51 GMT)
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From Ian Harknett's link:
Manuelle oder Kolben-Espressomaschinen: Damit sind die typischen Kolbenmaschinen mit Siebträger gemeint, die in den 50er und 60er Jahren üblich waren. Hierbei wird der Druck, der zur Extraktion des Kaffees benötigt wird mit Hilfe eines Kolbens und einem daran befestigten langen Hebel aufgebracht. Viele Kaffeeliebhaber behaupten, dies sei die beste Form der Espressomaschine. LaCimbali zum Beispiel produziert bis Heute (2005) solche Maschinen (allerdings nur auf Bestellung).

NB--these machines produce the best tasting espresso in the world.
Peer comment(s):
agree Ian M-H (X) : Hmmm... As I wrote to Brie, you're right - but many (most?) of the people selling Kolbenmaschinen today seem to mean the other kind...
7 mins
neutral Francis Lee (X) : IMO too long-winded to appear as an option in a consumer survey; strangely, I don't recall that particular scene from The Fly ...
18 mins
When he takes Geena Davis home with him the first time, it's the pickup line he uses. "I've got an espresso machine. You know, one of those ones with the eagle on top."
agree Brie Vernier : Thanks, Lucas
27 mins
neutral Michele Fauble : 'Kolbenmaschine' = 'espresso machine' ('pump-driven' or 'lever/piston operated')
19 hrs
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+3
56 mins

piston machine

According to several sources, this is not the same as a pump machine:

Piston Machine An espresso machine that uses a piston operated by a lever to force brewing water at high pressure through the compacted bed of ground coffee.

Plunger Pot See French Press

Polishing An optional procedure at the end of coffee processing in which the dried, shipment-ready beans are polished to remove silverskin and improve their appearance. Polishing does nothing to help flavor and often alters the taste, therefore most specialty coffee buyers do not encourage this practice.

Portafilter In espresso brewing, a metal object with a plastic handle that holds the coffee filter, and clamps onto the group.

Pulping See Wet-Processed Coffee

Pump Machine An espresso machine that uses a pump to force high-pressure brewing water through the compacted bed of ground coffee.

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Here's a nice picture of a piston machine (as well as a pump machine and others):

http://www.wholelattelove.com/buyingguide.cfm?BuyingGuideID=...

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Note added at 2 hrs 13 mins (2005-10-05 11:40:12 GMT)
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That's all well and good, Ian, but all googles for "Kolbenmaschine", even in combination with "Kaffee", point to espresso machines (or even makers, if you prefer ... I really don't think that is the issue here, both machines and makers make coffee/espresso).
Reference:

http://https://www.dunkindonuts.com/aboutus/credentials/Glossary.aspx

Peer comment(s):
agree lucasm (X) : I know coffee, and I would bet my bottom dollar that this is it. The difference is btwn manual piston espresso makers, ie "Kolben", and automatic machines. Excellent refs, Brie.
17 mins
Thanks, Lucas - M go Blue! ; )
neutral Stephen Sadie : whay does everybody assume that a "maschine" cannot be a "maker"?
31 mins
Not assuming anything, Stephen. It is common phraseology. I would call my own (aged) contraption a "coffee maker", but if I were to buy a new one, I would look for an "espresso machine" ... which would "make" espresso, but I still wouldn't call it "maker
agree Ian M-H (X) : The more I look into this, the more I'm sure that you're technically right, hence my "agree" - see also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espressomaschine But the machines sold today as "Kolbenmaschinen" seem to be pump jobbies.
42 mins
Thanks, Ian. That does, indeed seem to be the case, so I guess the question is whether they mean "modern" Kolbenmaschinen (a misnomer?) or the old-fashioned kind ...
agree writeaway : then at least a piston-operated espresso machine. or someone will think they can drive it away
1 hr
Thanks, writeaway, "piston-driven" and "piston-operated" are both good, but simply "piston machine" also gets a lot of googles in combination with "coffee"
neutral Michele Fauble : 'Kolbenmaschine' = 'espresso machine' ('pump-driven' or 'lever/piston operated')
20 hrs
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5 hrs

French press--yes

Not for the points, award them to somebody in the 'ask the asker' section above. This site says:

First, let's investigate French presses. A French press is a coffee maker which consists of a carafe and a plunging device with a filter attached. The filter is usually a fine mesh screen that mounts to a disk. Out of the end of the middle of the disk, a metal rod extends up through the middle of a lid. Some sort of handle is attached to the top of the protruding rod. The rod is allowed to slid freely through the lid (this sliding, during brewing, is referred to as "plunging").

AND it has pictures.
Reference:

http://www.jlhufford.com/articles/coffeemakers.htm

http://www.jlhufford.com/frenchpress.htm

Peer comment(s):
disagree Brie Vernier : as pointed out above, how do you reconcile this with ANY given google hit for "kolbenmaschine"?//fair enough, but neither the French press nor the espresso machine were invented yesterday.
3 hrs
I reconcile it by saying that German is a living language and may add words from time to time. If the transistor were invented yesterday, would Google have ANY hits for it? I think not.
neutral Michele Fauble : The German for French press is 'Kaffeebereiter' (for example, those made by Bodum).
10 hrs
disagree Ian M-H (X) : I know that Asker is tending towards this answer, which Stephen entered early on, but no one has yet to post evidence linking Kolbenmaschine with "French press". Lots for KM = espresso maker, though...
15 hrs
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6 hrs

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... Vintage look in an advanced lever-operated Espresso machine that makes one cup after ...
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Lever Operated espresso machines are characterised by the use of a lever with which to create the pressure required for correctly extracting espresso shots. ...
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The Hand Lever, Piston Operated Espresso Machines. With some finesse, you will be able to make the best espresso on the best espresso machine manufactured ...
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A Manual Hand-Lever/Piston-Operated Espresso Machine is a machine whereby the barista carefully controls the water pressure and water dosing by hand. ...
www.1st-line.com/cofffact/goodespr.htm


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Damit sind die typischen Kolbenmaschinen mit Siebträger gemeint, die in den 50er und 60er Jahren üblich waren. Hierbei wird der Druck, der zur Extraktion des Kaffees benötigt wird mit Hilfe eines Kolbens und einem daran befestigten langen Hebel aufgebracht.
exikon.golem.de/Espressomaschine


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Note added at 7 hrs 28 mins (2005-10-05 16:55:36 GMT)
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BUT ... this 'Kolbenmaschine' is an automatic espresso machine.


Solis Crema SL 70
Diese traditionelle Solis Kolbenmaschine besitzt das Solis Brühsystem für optimale...
www.specialpoint.net/index.php?page=showkat&cat=4&offset=85

The Solis Crema SL90 is an "automatic" machine with a lot of "ease of use" features for the demanding user. The SL 90 has all the features of the Solis SL70 plus the benefit of digital control - a microprocessor that controls shot times and all important water temperature.
www.espressotec.com/1590SolisCremaSL90.asp




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Solis Crema SL70
The Swiss made SL 70 Espresso Machine will deliver perfect espresso, cappuccino, and lattes with ease.
www.espressotec.com/1570SolisCremaSL70.asp




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Note added at 15 hrs 57 mins (2005-10-06 01:24:05 GMT)
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'(pump-driven) espresso machine'


FrancisFrancis! X1 Espresso Machine
Pump-driven with 18 bars of dynamic pressure
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AFX46?v=glance

Espressomachine Francis X1
Schwarz, Kolbenmaschine, 1.5 Ltr Wassertank.
bazarclick.ch/anzeigen.html?id=42b963009bc02 -




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Note added at 16 hrs 29 mins (2005-10-06 01:56:05 GMT)
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In English 'pump-driven espresso machines' are often just called 'espresso machines',with 'pump-driven' mentioned in the description/specs.

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Note added at 20 hrs 56 mins (2005-10-06 06:23:32 GMT)
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My final suggestion -

Kolbenmaschine = espresso machine (pump-driven)



Peer comment(s):
agree writeaway : more proof it's not a plunger/French press. (and Jane Lamb-Ruiz would be proud of your answer ;-) )
4 days
Thanks. Espressomachine (Kolbenmaschine) in contrast to those which work by heating up water to create steam pressure.
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