Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
seines Zeichens
English translation:
(humorous/obsolescent) by trade; (who rejoices) in the name/title of...; an avowed...
Added to glossary by
Sandy A Pirie
Jun 16, 2006 15:07
17 yrs ago
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German term
United Kingdom
seines Zeichens
German to English
Bus/Financial
Cosmetics, Beauty
Titles
Dahinter steckt vor allem xyz, seines Zeichens ein „Maestro Perfumista“ sowie ausgebildeter Chemiker und Kosmetik-Experte, der sich gemeinsam mit seinem Bruder schon seit 25 Jahren mit der Kreation von exklusiven Pflegeprodukten beschäftigt.
'Dahinter' refers to the perfume company he runs.
As this article is an advertorial, I don’t think xyz will appreciate being called 'self-styled’.
'Dahinter' refers to the perfume company he runs.
As this article is an advertorial, I don’t think xyz will appreciate being called 'self-styled’.
Proposed translations
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| 4 | an avowed |
Sandy A Pirie
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| 4 | in his role as |
David Moore (X)
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| 2 -1 | as he describes himself |
Stephen Sadie
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Non-PRO (2): HarryHedgehog, Richard Benham
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Proposed translations
6 hrs
Sandy A Pirie
Native in English
One of Scotland's best
Native in: English 
Works in: German to English, English to German
Related KudoZ points
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8
Selected
an avowed
As far as I can judge from the short excerpt - and having looked into whether the Spanish term is in fact a 'trade' - I've come to the conclusion that the English needs the flavour of something like '..., an avowed "maestro perfumista" and...
Alternatively, it might be worth considering replacing the Spanish with French "maitre parfumeur" or even using plain English "...an avowed designer of perfumes..."
(Googling with selections of these terms might provide a number of other possible routes, e.g.
So it is no surprise that the most elegantly understated fashions of this century have evolved from the house of this impassioned designer, who believes […] ...
tops2bottoms.com/category/designers/ - 50k - Cached - Similar pages
Antonio Marras, <BR>the new Artistic Director for Kenzo Woman ...
And so this impassioned designer and Kenzo embark upon an exciting new adventure…. (Published on February 23rd, 2004) ...
www.lvmh.com/magazine/pg_mag_contenu.asp?int_id=29&archive=...
Such a move might still be within the 'remit' of such a text )
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Note added at 8 hrs (2006-06-16 23:24:59 GMT)
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In answer to Richard:
It seems someone is getting something into a bit of a twist here.
Perhaps I should have given the link, rather than simply advising one tries out the Spanish on Google and sees what comes up.
The fact that the term in the Spanish original is put into italics implies for me that this is not a 'trade' in that sense of the word. Go there and see for yourself - the French version of the website says simply: Il a le titre "..."
EL ARTISTA
Nace en Versalles, el 22 de febrero de 1953. Estudia 2 años de Medicina en la Facultad de Limoges. Trabaja 17 años en la industria farmacéutica y cosmética en Estados Unidos en E. Lilly & E. Harden y alumno del perfumista Galimard en Grasse. Tiene el título de maestro perfumista.
En su laboratorio de la plaza de Arceaux de Labastide-Clairence, Christian Louis, “maestro-perfumista” presenta su arte con pasión, sin moderación, ceremonial y detalladamente.
www.euskonews.com/artisautza/0347zbk/Artista_es.html
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Note added at 8 hrs (2006-06-17 00:05:38 GMT)
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Have just read Andrew's note to 'Bennie'. Is Andrew thinking along the lines of 'accredited', perhaps? I have the strong impression, however, that the author of the 'advertorial' will be in a position to provide Andrew with more exact information regarding the designer's 'title' - honorary, awarded, legal, officially recognised or whatever it be - so that a correct choice will then automatically surface from the profundity of Andrew's lexical expertise.
Alternatively, it might be worth considering replacing the Spanish with French "maitre parfumeur" or even using plain English "...an avowed designer of perfumes..."
(Googling with selections of these terms might provide a number of other possible routes, e.g.
So it is no surprise that the most elegantly understated fashions of this century have evolved from the house of this impassioned designer, who believes […] ...
tops2bottoms.com/category/designers/ - 50k - Cached - Similar pages
Antonio Marras, <BR>the new Artistic Director for Kenzo Woman ...
And so this impassioned designer and Kenzo embark upon an exciting new adventure…. (Published on February 23rd, 2004) ...
www.lvmh.com/magazine/pg_mag_contenu.asp?int_id=29&archive=...
Such a move might still be within the 'remit' of such a text )
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Note added at 8 hrs (2006-06-16 23:24:59 GMT)
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In answer to Richard:
It seems someone is getting something into a bit of a twist here.
Perhaps I should have given the link, rather than simply advising one tries out the Spanish on Google and sees what comes up.
The fact that the term in the Spanish original is put into italics implies for me that this is not a 'trade' in that sense of the word. Go there and see for yourself - the French version of the website says simply: Il a le titre "..."
EL ARTISTA
Nace en Versalles, el 22 de febrero de 1953. Estudia 2 años de Medicina en la Facultad de Limoges. Trabaja 17 años en la industria farmacéutica y cosmética en Estados Unidos en E. Lilly & E. Harden y alumno del perfumista Galimard en Grasse. Tiene el título de maestro perfumista.
En su laboratorio de la plaza de Arceaux de Labastide-Clairence, Christian Louis, “maestro-perfumista” presenta su arte con pasión, sin moderación, ceremonial y detalladamente.
www.euskonews.com/artisautza/0347zbk/Artista_es.html
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Note added at 8 hrs (2006-06-17 00:05:38 GMT)
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Have just read Andrew's note to 'Bennie'. Is Andrew thinking along the lines of 'accredited', perhaps? I have the strong impression, however, that the author of the 'advertorial' will be in a position to provide Andrew with more exact information regarding the designer's 'title' - honorary, awarded, legal, officially recognised or whatever it be - so that a correct choice will then automatically surface from the profundity of Andrew's lexical expertise.
Peer comment(s):
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Richard Benham
: There is no evidence for this suggestion. There is nothing wrong with "by trade"--any (tenuous) criticism would apply with knobs on against the German. Of course, it would go after "cosmetic expert" anyway.
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No space here. Please see addition to my original entry.
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BrigitteHilgner
: This is really not an appropriate translation, Richard's explanation provided in the "Ask the asker" box is correct.
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I wouldn't wish to dispute the 'literal' translation, but I've a strong feeling that Andrew already knew that and sought suggestions for a 'flavouring' within the given context that 'transcreated' the term to meet expectations of UK readers re. such copy.
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Ian M-H (X)
: This isn't straightforward, and I wouldn't necessarily agree with all of your suggestions, but this strikes me as a helpful and relevant contribution - and I agree with enough of it to want to balance the voting. // Precisely.
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The need to provide a number of suggestions stemmed partly from my desire to counteract a tendency towards tunnel vision. It was Andrew who had the whole text in front of him, after all, and he's now used his own idea for what works best in his project.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to everyone."
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3 mins
Stephen Sadie
Germany
Germany
Native in English
Germany
Practical business experience, reliable
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, English to German
Related KudoZ points
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10
as he describes himself
or as he is known...may work, andrew
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Richard Benham
: More "by trade".
2 hrs
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Ian M-H (X)
: We don't know - or need to know - how he describes himself.
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4 mins
in his role as
This might fit; it doesn't strike me as being in any way derogatory, as "self-styled" could be regarded...
Peer comment(s):
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Ricki Farn
: normalerweise verwendet man "seines Zeichens" ja für normale Berufe, also z.B. "Herr Brötchen, seines Zeichens Bäckermeister"
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Richard Benham
: What's the matter with the obvious "by trade"?//By the same argument, the author shouldn't have used "seines Zeichens" in German. But s/he did, and it works just as well in English. You can't be too picky about things like rationality in marketing.
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Pretty obvious; if this is an honorary title, it isn't "by trade" - not in the sense you suggest.
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Ian M-H (X)
: I don't see "in his role" in the source text. CL4?? // I read the question some 16 hours ago, have followed discussion and read the answers suggested and points made. This is the only answer of the three on offer that I felt needed a "disagree".
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Perhaps you might if you tried reading a little more carefully between the lines?
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