Nov 16, 2006 05:06
17 yrs ago
Russian term
реабилитационный курс в санатории
Russian to English
Medical
Medical: Health Care
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Больше всего меня интересует, как лучше перевести слово "санаторий". Это про Россию.
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Alexander Demyanov
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rehabilitation [treatment] at a medical spa resort
Санатории in Russia are normally situated in resort areas and serve dual functions of both a resort/vacation destinations and treatment facilities.
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Note added at 12 hrs (2006-11-16 17:48:00 GMT)
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Spa meaning a resort or place of treatment
A spa town, a town visited for the supposed healing properties of the water.
A destination spa, a resort for personal care treatments.
A day spa, a form of beauty salon.
A health spa; see balneotherapy.
(these are from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa)
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Note added at 1 day9 hrs (2006-11-17 14:09:26 GMT)
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Sergei, I think rehabilitation (as in your suggested option 2) needs to be there. With dropping "spa", I'd just say
"rehabilitation [treatement] at a medical health resort".
(square brackets mean "optional")
"Facility" is a bit confusing as it can carry - in medical organization contexts - a number of different meanings (could be a building, a wing, a floor, a set of equipment, etc.). "Center" too seems out of place with "health resort" as "center" usually relates to some geographical or administrative division (as in XXX County Medical Center).
I also feel that you need "medical" in front of "health" to emphasize that the resort has medical professionals, including physicians, on staff (as it is always the case with "санаторий"). There are establishments that will call themselves "health resorts" simply because of their settings or exercise/diet/whatever programs.
I'll also take this opportunity to further explain why "санаторий" should translate as "..... resort" and by no means "rehabilitation center". First, I've seen rehabilitation in a Russian "санаторий". A member of my family had gone through a rehabilitation course in one, after a myocardial infarction. The setting there could only be described as "all-inclusive resort with doctors and medical facilities on premices". I've also seen "rehabilitation centers" here in the States. Those can be described as "nursing homes for temporary stay of those sick but not necessarily elderly". One example is a highrise standing at a busy freeway juncture close to downtown Boston. Another - a facility, hardly distinguishable from a nursing home, in an inner suburb of Boston. None of the ones I've see can be called "санаторий" by any stretch of imagination.
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Note added at 12 hrs (2006-11-16 17:48:00 GMT)
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Spa meaning a resort or place of treatment
A spa town, a town visited for the supposed healing properties of the water.
A destination spa, a resort for personal care treatments.
A day spa, a form of beauty salon.
A health spa; see balneotherapy.
(these are from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa)
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Note added at 1 day9 hrs (2006-11-17 14:09:26 GMT)
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Sergei, I think rehabilitation (as in your suggested option 2) needs to be there. With dropping "spa", I'd just say
"rehabilitation [treatement] at a medical health resort".
(square brackets mean "optional")
"Facility" is a bit confusing as it can carry - in medical organization contexts - a number of different meanings (could be a building, a wing, a floor, a set of equipment, etc.). "Center" too seems out of place with "health resort" as "center" usually relates to some geographical or administrative division (as in XXX County Medical Center).
I also feel that you need "medical" in front of "health" to emphasize that the resort has medical professionals, including physicians, on staff (as it is always the case with "санаторий"). There are establishments that will call themselves "health resorts" simply because of their settings or exercise/diet/whatever programs.
I'll also take this opportunity to further explain why "санаторий" should translate as "..... resort" and by no means "rehabilitation center". First, I've seen rehabilitation in a Russian "санаторий". A member of my family had gone through a rehabilitation course in one, after a myocardial infarction. The setting there could only be described as "all-inclusive resort with doctors and medical facilities on premices". I've also seen "rehabilitation centers" here in the States. Those can be described as "nursing homes for temporary stay of those sick but not necessarily elderly". One example is a highrise standing at a busy freeway juncture close to downtown Boston. Another - a facility, hardly distinguishable from a nursing home, in an inner suburb of Boston. None of the ones I've see can be called "санаторий" by any stretch of imagination.
Note from asker:
| Александр, я пока склоняюсь к Вашему ответу, хотя хочу убрать "spa". Как Вам следующие 2 варианта, которые я сейчас рассматриваю: 1. treatment at a health resort care center; 2. rehabilitation at a health resort facility? |
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Tevah_Trans
: Exactly right
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Thanks, Elina.
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protolmach
: I tend to agree. I think it does not matter where the place is, what matters is who the readers are. If it is translated into English so the readers live in one of English-speaking countries ... You could even drop the word resort, depending on what they
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Thanks, protolmach. I am not 100% sure about dropping "resort" but tend to agree that some "санатории" may not include the "resort" function
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Roman Bardachev
: A spa is a place where there is a curative mineral spring - according to the Oxford dictionary. A rehab centre in Russia may not necessarily have one. Unless of course you mean a beauty salon ))
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What if doesn't HAVE TO imply that? Using your logic one could say, "Roman" implies many pages bound into a book with an elaborate story of historical events and human condition, so it cannot be a name of a translator, nor can it be used as a nick.
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Ann Nosova
: I agree however I would drop the spa part (medical resort) No, it is not about the water, it's just the word has not been common/popular in RF yet...
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Thanks, Ann. Why would you drop "spa". Do you also think that "spa" is necessarily water-related? It's not, despite its etymology//I understand. I doubt though that the translation is intended for the RF.
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Comment: "Спасибо!"
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Olga Sharpe
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convalescent center (hospital) therapy
на мой взгляд
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Marina Aleyeva
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спасибо, марина!
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Sergey Gorelik
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спасибо, сергей!
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Alexander Demyanov
: convalescent centers (at least here) are more like hospital rehab facilities and/or closed drug treatment institutions
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Ann Nosova
: но санаторий - это совсем не больница ! в санаторий больных не принимают - даже на реабилитацию (сан.кур. карта должна соответствовать)
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To David: I've always thought that sanatorium in English meant a psychiatric facility unlike the Russian equivalent of a resort...
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Tevah_Trans
: Yes, 100% correct!
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David Knowles
: See the note I've added to my answer. This doesn't mean you are wrong, because your definition may not have made it to the dictionaries yet.
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rehabilitation treatment in a sanatorium
I'm happy with "convalescent centre", but I don't see what's wrong with sanatorium in a Russian context, or with rehabilitation.
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Note added at 11 hrs (2006-11-16 16:28:00 GMT)
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Here are the three definitions from the full OED.
1. An establishment for the reception and medical treatment of invalids; in recent use chiefly either of convalescent patients, or of consumptives undergoing the open-air treatment. Also fig.
2. A place to which, on account of favourable climatic and other conditions, invalids resort for the improvement of their health; spec. a hill-station in a hot country, esp. in India, to which residents periodically resort to recuperate.
3. A room or building in a boarding school for the accommodation of the sick. Cf. San [abbreviation]
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http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sanatorium gives partial support to Sergey's meaning, but only as one of the many pejorative terms for "insane asylum". I can well believe that it is used as a euphemism, but that's not its primary meaning.
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Here are the three definitions from the full OED.
1. An establishment for the reception and medical treatment of invalids; in recent use chiefly either of convalescent patients, or of consumptives undergoing the open-air treatment. Also fig.
2. A place to which, on account of favourable climatic and other conditions, invalids resort for the improvement of their health; spec. a hill-station in a hot country, esp. in India, to which residents periodically resort to recuperate.
3. A room or building in a boarding school for the accommodation of the sick. Cf. San [abbreviation]
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Note added at 11 hrs (2006-11-16 16:35:14 GMT)
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http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sanatorium gives partial support to Sergey's meaning, but only as one of the many pejorative terms for "insane asylum". I can well believe that it is used as a euphemism, but that's not its primary meaning.
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Sergey Gorelik
: The problem is with the word, not the context.
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What specifically is wrong with the word? It sounds a bit old-fashioned to me that's all.
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Tevah_Trans
: Sanatorium in the US English has a connotation of a mental health facility
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Thanks for the explanation. See my note above!
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Ann Nosova
: Absolutely! There is nothing wrong with both sanatorium and rehabilitation (esp.the last one)
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Roman Bardachev
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recovery course at a rehabilitation centre
вариант
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Note added at 14 hrs (2006-11-16 19:35:21 GMT)
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Multiple hits from Google suggest that the terms "санаторий" and "реабилитационный центр" are often interchangeable. The whole purpose of a "санаторий" in Russia is to support rehabilitation and/or recovery. The fact that the system has often been abused and mistaken for a vacationing resort is another story.
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Note added at 14 hrs (2006-11-16 19:35:21 GMT)
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Multiple hits from Google suggest that the terms "санаторий" and "реабилитационный центр" are often interchangeable. The whole purpose of a "санаторий" in Russia is to support rehabilitation and/or recovery. The fact that the system has often been abused and mistaken for a vacationing resort is another story.
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Alexander Demyanov
: Had the author meant "rehabilitation centre" he/she would say "реабилитационный центр" - an widely used name for establishments somewhat different from "санатории". //As many words in many languages, "spa" has a number of meanings.
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If, according to the author the patient had gone through a rehab course, the facility might as well be referred to as a rehab centre (which is how many Russian sanatoria like to call themselves anyway).
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