Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

toilet water

English answer:

avoid, eau de toilette sounds better

Added to glossary by Marek Daroszewski (MrMarDar)
Mar 5, 2008 11:28
16 yrs ago
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English term

toilet water

English Art/Literary Cosmetics, Beauty
Does 'toilet water' have 2 meanings in English?
http://www.yourdictionary.com/toilet-water says:
toilet water
a lightly scented liquid with a high alcohol content, applied to the skin after bathing, etc. or added to bath water

However, a large amount of google hits show that the phrase is actually used as water in / from the toilet bowl, e.g.:
70 percent of the time, ice from fast food restaurants was dirtier than toilet water. ...
abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=1641825&page=1

Now - would native English speakers smile on reading 'XXXX is a new toilet water targeted at female teenagers'? Eau de Cologne would do the trick, naturally. Does it sound right, or does it sound really strange... It does sound strange to me, but I'm not a native speaker, and (to my surprise) dictionaries actually seem to say that one can use it to refer to (more or less) 'perfume, tragrance, etc.'

What's your advice - use or avoid it?
Change log

Mar 10, 2008 07:52: Marek Daroszewski (MrMarDar) Created KOG entry

Discussion

Carmen Schultz Mar 8, 2008:
I concur with Akhram that you can use the short form "Cologne"- this may work well with the female teenage crowd as it is short and sweet.
Carmen Schultz Mar 8, 2008:
As fas as any distinction, even the famous French perfumer Roget & Gallet doesn't differentiate between EDT(Eau de Toilette) & Eau de Cologne as they are used interchangeably:http://www.google.com/products?q=Eau de Toilette Jean Marie ...
Carmen Schultz Mar 7, 2008:
Carmen Schultz Mar 7, 2008:
Click on the following link and you'll see that there is virtually no difference between eau de toilette and eau de cologne. eau fraiche, and body splash, etc. (and other similar names for similar concoction)
Carmen Schultz Mar 5, 2008:
I agree that Eau de Toilette is an equivalent but depending on the country & audience you're targeting you may want to use a name that has appeal to that specific audience and using the 'older' name may actually alienate.
Carmen Schultz Mar 5, 2008:
There are different ways to call this.You may want to use the one suitable for a young female audience:a version that appeals to that segment. Perhaps a certain name is preferred by this segment while this audience may have an aversion to other names.
AKhram Mar 5, 2008:
Avoid. You can also use the short form "cologne"

Responses

+10
4 mins
Selected

Eau de toilette

You'd be safer with this. This is what is sold in the UK shops. Also, "teenage girls" would sound better in my view.
Peer comment(s):

agree Marie-Hélène Hayles : and snap again! And definitely "teenage girls", not "female teenagers".
0 min
Thanks Marie-Hélène Hayles!
agree cmwilliams (X)
10 mins
Thanks!
agree Carmen Schultz
45 mins
agree Jeanette Phillips
57 mins
agree Will Matter
57 mins
agree R. Alex Jenkins
1 hr
agree Vicky Nash
2 hrs
agree Cristina Santos
11 hrs
agree V_Nedkov
2 days 4 hrs
agree Alexandra Tussing
5 days
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+16
3 mins

eau de toilette

Personally, I would use "eau de toilette" and not "toilet water", no matter what the dictionary says!
Peer comment(s):

agree Marie-Hélène Hayles : snap!
1 min
Thanks! :-)
agree Larissa Dinsley : Sorry Nesrin, I did not see your answer when I was posting mine.
2 mins
That's alright! Thanks! :-)
agree PB Trans
4 mins
agree cmwilliams (X)
10 mins
agree hirselina
10 mins
agree Louise Mawbey : This has a more modern ring than "toilet water" - the latter makes me think of my grandma
34 mins
agree Will Matter
57 mins
agree Jeanette Phillips : toilet water is old fashioned
58 mins
agree R. Alex Jenkins
1 hr
agree Vicky Nash
2 hrs
agree jerrie
3 hrs
agree Cristina Santos
11 hrs
agree Phong Le : this makes me to recall my memory some 20years ago when I first read this on a small bottle...
18 hrs
agree V_Nedkov
2 days 4 hrs
agree Sonia Soros
2 days 21 hrs
agree Alexandra Tussing
5 days
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+7
4 mins

eau de toilette

It's a perfectly acceptable term, but if you want to avoid it you could go for eau de toilette (note that this is not the same as eau de cologne, it has a higher water content and a less concentrated scent).

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Note added at 8 mins (2008-03-05 11:36:59 GMT)
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actually, I appear to be wrong - eau de toilette is actually stronger than cologne, if this Wikipedia link is reliable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfume

In any case, the two are not synonyms.
Peer comment(s):

agree Larissa Dinsley : :)
1 min
agree Nesrin : Yes, I believe the hierarchy is perfume - eau de parfum - eau de t - eau de c (so in this particular instance, wikipedia is right)
13 mins
agree Will Matter
56 mins
agree R. Alex Jenkins
1 hr
agree Cristina Santos
11 hrs
agree V_Nedkov
2 days 4 hrs
agree Alexandra Tussing
5 days
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8 mins

toiletry products Are Shampoos and other products regarded as beauty products

toiletry products, Are Shampoos and other products regarded as beauty products,
Toilet water is exactly that, water from a toilet.

Yes it did make me smile
Example sentence:

White Rain--Shampoo, conditioner and other hair care products are toiletry stuff. Skin care products are in the same boat.

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+2
33 mins

toilet water

'toilet water' is just fine, the good old traditional term for it.

Of course, these days lots of companies use the FR term 'eau de toilette' for the extra marketing value that supposedly brings — but just as the FR so vociferously defend the proper use of a perfectly satisfactory FR term where one exists, I think we should defend the use of the EN term here.

Don't listen to the sniggerings of those whose humour has never got further than the schoolboy stage! ;-)

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Note added at 34 mins (2008-03-05 12:03:50 GMT)
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What's good enough for Yardley is good enough for me:

Yardley Lace Eau de Parfum Spray : Read reviews and compare prices ...

Yardley Lace Eau de Parfum Spray starting at £5.99 (11.02.08) at Ciao.co.uk. ... This perfume is available in the toilet water or the stronger Eau de parfum ...

www.ciao.co.uk/Yardley_Lace_Eau_de_Parfum_Spray__6781354
Peer comment(s):

agree David Moore (X) : Tony, does this just show us up as oldies, or what? BTW, what happened to the "giggling schoolgirl stage"???//Are you kidding, or what?????
16 mins
Thanks, David! I rather fear it does! I didn't think nice little schoolgirls would giggle about anything like that...
agree Jack Doughty : When we lived in Cologne, a man who cleared the contents of septic tanks put his phone number on the tankers, It was 4711, and the Eau de Cologne company took him to court to make him remove it.
18 mins
Thanks, Jack! Wonderful anecdote!!
neutral Larissa Dinsley : Hi Tony! May be "good enough for you", but come on, face it: you are hardly a "female teenager"! (think target audience!) :) Of course, it was the Asker, in the last but one paragraph!
57 mins
Well, it wasn't Asker who mentioned young teenagers, and until he has done so, I stand by my answer.
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+1
14 mins

eau de cologne/eau de toilette/bodyspritzer/body splash*/ body spray*[*depends on bottle type]

eau de cologne/eau de toilette/body splash*/ body spray* [*depends on bottle type]:

There are different ways to call this-- you may want to use the one suitable for a young female audience--a version that appeals to that segment

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Note added at 14 mins (2008-03-05 11:43:42 GMT)
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oops, 'body spritzer' should be two words

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Note added at 23 mins (2008-03-05 11:52:29 GMT)
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Forgot to mention "Body Mist" (another way this item is marketed)

Body Mist, Body Splash, Bath Splash, Body Spray and Perfume ...body mist, body splash, bath splash, body spray and perfume, shower spray, body fragrance spray, body deodorant spray.
www.herbal-gardens.net/bath-splash.htm - 18k - Cached - Similar pages


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Note added at 25 mins (2008-03-05 11:54:06 GMT)
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Note added at 1 day21 hrs (2008-03-07 08:57:59 GMT)
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NOTE: another possibility is EAU FRAICHE

MORE INFO:
Eau de toilette has around 1-6% perfume concentrates. This makes for a light scent that doesn't linger as long as the more intense versions. It was originally intended to be a refreshing body splash to help people wake up in the morning.

Eau de cologne is sometimes used interchangeably with the term eau de toilette. However, the concoction began as the name of a light, fresh fragrance mixed with citrus oils and was made popular by Napoleon. Some perfumers today have a version of this called eau fraiche.

While these are the main classes of perfume, other products are frequently scented with perfume concentrates too. Lotions, creams, powders, body splashes, aftershaves, soaps, and other cosmetic products may contain variable (though usually small) amounts of fragrance.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Nesrin : I don't think the words are interchangeable though - as Marie Helene points out in her added note, eau de cologne and eau de toilette have different concentration levels.
6 mins
I worked at a major cosmetics company in US & what you say isn't always true today as the terms are used rather loosely for marketing.Initially,European makers of scents established certain concentration levels but not all countries abide by this anymore
agree Jeanette Phillips : if the market is teenage girls, it may well be body spray or spritz as you suggest. Eau de toilette could be outside a teenager's budget
50 mins
thanks
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