Mar 7, 2008 16:14
16 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Arroces Caldosos
Spanish to English
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Cooking / Culinary
Rice dishes on restaurant menu
OK - need help to NICELY describe "Arroces Caldosos" so preferably to avoid "soggy/watery rice dishes" :-)
Heads a list of dishes such as:
Arroz caldoso de conejo y pollo
Arroz de “fesols i naps” [habichuelas y nabos]
Arroz negro con chipirones
This list is followed by "Arroces Secos" (Dry rice dishes?)
Heads a list of dishes such as:
Arroz caldoso de conejo y pollo
Arroz de “fesols i naps” [habichuelas y nabos]
Arroz negro con chipirones
This list is followed by "Arroces Secos" (Dry rice dishes?)
Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
2 days 2 hrs
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Rice dishes in (savoury) broth
Going on what has been discussed by others and personal knowledge:
"Wet or dry" may be common, but not necessarily right (many truly horrendous/laughable menu translations out there), and not particularly appealing, in my opinion. (When my rice turns out too dry, I usually add something to make it more moist. :->)
Arroz caldoso is more than just "moist", yet to me "soupy" just doesn't sound appetising.
Stewed rice dishes" is also a good choice.
Barley, brown and wild rice with pieces of seasoned chicken breast, simmered in a savoury broth with a variety of vegetables. ...
www.calorie-count.com/forums/post/page/10/60115.html
Lots of sweet onions in a savoury broth topped with croutons and melted Swiss cheese .... Julienne strips of chicken served on vermicelli rice noodles with ...
www.thefountainheadpub.com/menu.php
mi quang nam -- fat noodles in a bit of savoury broth with meat or veggies
http://www.travelfish.org/eatandmeet/vietnam/south_central_v...
"Wet or dry" may be common, but not necessarily right (many truly horrendous/laughable menu translations out there), and not particularly appealing, in my opinion. (When my rice turns out too dry, I usually add something to make it more moist. :->)
Arroz caldoso is more than just "moist", yet to me "soupy" just doesn't sound appetising.
Stewed rice dishes" is also a good choice.
Barley, brown and wild rice with pieces of seasoned chicken breast, simmered in a savoury broth with a variety of vegetables. ...
www.calorie-count.com/forums/post/page/10/60115.html
Lots of sweet onions in a savoury broth topped with croutons and melted Swiss cheese .... Julienne strips of chicken served on vermicelli rice noodles with ...
www.thefountainheadpub.com/menu.php
mi quang nam -- fat noodles in a bit of savoury broth with meat or veggies
http://www.travelfish.org/eatandmeet/vietnam/south_central_v...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for all your useful suggestions - it was a tricky one! Wet/sticky/soupy/stewed didn't sound right to me so the closest to what I wanted was Cinnamon's and I settled on `Rice in a savoury broth'"
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2 mins
sticky rice/risotto
This is just a guess, but risottos are often quite runny and "wet".
Peer comment(s):
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Noni Gilbert Riley
: Risotto, yes - see below!
4 mins
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thanks Noni
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neilmac
: No, Valencian arroz caldoso is more like a soup, nowt like risotto.
4 hrs
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margaret caulfield
: Any "arroz caldoso! should never be sticky. Risotto is dry rice dish.
2 days 7 hrs
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3 mins
risotto
Could it be a risotto maybe?. My suggestion to make it more "elegant"
Peer comment(s):
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Noni Gilbert Riley
: And now we declare open the great risotto/arroz caldoso debate....!
2 mins
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jajaja!!! I know...you would think it's so simple!
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neilmac
: If your risotto comes out wet or runny you're not doing it right :)
4 hrs
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margaret caulfield
: Risotto is a dry rice dish
2 days 7 hrs
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+3
5 mins
Soupy Rice Dishes
Soupy chicken and rabbit rice. Not quite as bad as "soggy"!
Peer comment(s):
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Janine Libbey
9 mins
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Gracias Viva!
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Diane Kenyon
: Another possibility could be "rice with chicken and rabbit in a savoury broth/stock" a bit long winded but sounds more appetizing
46 mins
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neilmac
: I agree with Dekken, "Soupy" sounds a bit... well... soupy
4 hrs
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Enrique Huber (X)
: It's quite nice.
8 hrs
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margaret caulfield
: Rice soup dishes could be acceptable, but not soupy rice
2 days 7 hrs
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28 mins
Moist Rice dishes
Perhaps another option for the heading at least.
".....rice—creamy like a risotto, studded with clams and lightly infused with ginger—came concealed under some paper-thin petals of octopus carpaccio. A paella this wasn’t. "Tourists come to Valencia expecting only paella," my friend, local food critic Pedro García Mocholí, had told me. "But what our local taste buds really crave most are caldoso [soupy] and meloso [moist] rices."
"If its served in a soup bowl, its called arroz caldoso which is the traditional way of using seafood in the rice dish (this is not paella, but it is very similar). there are restaurants in spain that specialize in one or the other, but never both. Usually the soupy rice dish is used for a Lobster rice."
".....rice—creamy like a risotto, studded with clams and lightly infused with ginger—came concealed under some paper-thin petals of octopus carpaccio. A paella this wasn’t. "Tourists come to Valencia expecting only paella," my friend, local food critic Pedro García Mocholí, had told me. "But what our local taste buds really crave most are caldoso [soupy] and meloso [moist] rices."
"If its served in a soup bowl, its called arroz caldoso which is the traditional way of using seafood in the rice dish (this is not paella, but it is very similar). there are restaurants in spain that specialize in one or the other, but never both. Usually the soupy rice dish is used for a Lobster rice."
Peer comment(s):
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translatol
: I support this as a brief translation.
17 mins
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Thanks :)
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franglish
2 hrs
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Thanks franglish :)
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neilmac
: Definitely sounds nicer than "soupy"
3 hrs
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Thanks neilmac :)
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margaret caulfield
: One thing is moist rice (such as is the case of Paella, etc.) and another is arroz caldoso
2 days 7 hrs
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The problem here is that it is a heading where the list also includes "arroz negro con chipirones" which is neither "soupy" nor "broth"..., however I take your point and I like your option of "stewed". Thanks :)
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1 hr
Stewed Rice Dishes
See the term "caldereta" (fabulous in Palma de Mallorca). I personally make "arroces caldosos" and they really are stewed chicken, rabbit, fish, lobster.... with rice. DELICIOUS!!!
Peer comment(s):
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neilmac
: I rice stew in the name of the law arf arf :)
2 hrs
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Thanks neilmac
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Cinnamon Nolan
2 days 48 mins
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Thanks, Cinnamon
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Sandra Holt
: Like your option Margaret.
2 days 15 hrs
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Thanks, Sandra.
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28 mins
(Valencian) rice dishes (paellas) with broth
You are dealing with a menu of typical Valencian rice dishes, popularly known as paellas. People outside the region and internationally only know one kind of paella, the kind Valencians call 'paella mixta' because it contains both meat and seafood, but locally there is a great variety. The are divided into the two general class of (a) arroces secos, so called because they are served without broth, and (b) arroces caldosos, where 'caldoso' comes from 'caldo' in the sense of broth, and so called because the rice is drenched in broth from the other ingredients. Often the same dish can be ordered as a 'seco' or as a 'caldoso'.
You can find recipes for them on the web, but better still come and taste them!
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Note added at 30 mins (2008-03-07 16:45:46 GMT)
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N.B. Broth - it's not soup.
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Note added at 35 mins (2008-03-07 16:50:28 GMT)
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"The are divided into the two general class" should read "They are divided into the two general classes."
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Note added at 15 hrs (2008-03-08 07:39:46 GMT)
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I suggest combining Sandra's translation with mine as follows:
Moist Rice Dishes (typical Valencian rice dishes with a broth)
On the other hand, Dekken's "rice with chicken and rabbit in a savoury broth" does indeed sound more appetising.
Just for interest, the rice with chicken and rabbit (and snails) is the only variant that Valencians call 'paella valenciana'.
You can find recipes for them on the web, but better still come and taste them!
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Note added at 30 mins (2008-03-07 16:45:46 GMT)
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N.B. Broth - it's not soup.
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Note added at 35 mins (2008-03-07 16:50:28 GMT)
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"The are divided into the two general class" should read "They are divided into the two general classes."
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Note added at 15 hrs (2008-03-08 07:39:46 GMT)
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I suggest combining Sandra's translation with mine as follows:
Moist Rice Dishes (typical Valencian rice dishes with a broth)
On the other hand, Dekken's "rice with chicken and rabbit in a savoury broth" does indeed sound more appetising.
Just for interest, the rice with chicken and rabbit (and snails) is the only variant that Valencians call 'paella valenciana'.
Peer comment(s):
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Diane Kenyon
: I agree, arroz caldoso is definitely quite liquid rather than sticky
26 mins
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Thank you. Please see my later note.
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neilmac
: This is my favourite choice: "rice broth" would do for me... in fact, here in Valencia it's about time for dinner :)
3 hrs
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Thank you. Please see my later note.
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Sandra Holt
: Yes I like the sound of "rice broth" too.
4 hrs
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Thank you. But I think 'rice broth' would be the wrong way round: it's more rice than broth.
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1 hr
Wet rice dishes
http://btheremag.com/2006/12/01/in-search-of-paella/
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-03-07 18:54:29 GMT)
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bthere: Inflight Magazine Brussels Airlines » In search of paella
The menu boasts both paellas (a dry rice dish) and melosos or caldosos (wet rice dishes), which range from a paella de sepia y alcachofas (rice with ...
btheremag.com/2006/12/01/in-search-of-paella/
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-03-07 18:59:37 GMT)
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Korea Garden - Westmont, IL
I checked over the lunch menu, it consisted of noodles, dry and wet, rice dishes, kimchi soup type dishes and some other stuff I haven't tried yet. ...
Map of 204 N Cass Ave, Westmont, IL 60559, USA
www.yelp.com/biz/korea-garden-westmont - 34k
paella: wetness/dryness - Home Cooking - Chowhound
A wet rice dish may not be the ideal paella, but it is not necessarily a failure. The Spanish do cook 'wet' rices, they just don't call them paella. ...
www.chowhound.com/topics/451576 - 75k
Wet and dry rice dishes are what I know them as (and from cookery books, etc.)
Risotto is an Italian dish - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risotto - like a pain au raisins isn't a teacake...
Rice recipes in Mediterranean style are countless and amazingly ...
For dry rice dishes the proportion is two to one. For example 2 cups water to one-cup rice. For sticky rice recipes we use a three to one proportion. ...
www.mediterranean-food-recipes.com/rice-recipes.html - 35
Recipes - Paella and Beyond, Information about the food and drink ...
Any rice dish, whether dry or juicy, needs to rest off the fire at least five minutes to finish cooking and absorb liquid. Paella is never finished in the ...
www.andalucia.com/taste/paella/home.htm - 14k
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Note added at 5 hrs (2008-03-07 21:49:59 GMT)
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http://tinyurl.com/yuz3v4
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2008-03-10 09:17:43 GMT)
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Madras Cafe, Sunnyvale - San Francisco Bay Area - Chowhound
Sambar rice - wet rice dish and very good (but you have to like the wet rice texture) - came with a ton of rice and a side of squash and chutney. ...
www.chowhound.com/topics/303322 - 64k
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2008-03-10 10:01:19 GMT)
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Charles Campion | Blogs | Evening Standard
Safely home among my books checking my facts I find that kedgeree was indeed once a dry rice dish - in "Culinary Jottings from Madras", the redoubtable ...
campion.thisislondon.co.uk/2007/03/musings_on_kedg.html
Spanish Recipes for Main Dishes from LaTienda.com
A dry rice dish made with white beans or chickpeas, a whole head of garlic, and a regional selection of vegetables. 53. Pheasant Alcántara Style ...
www.tienda.com/recipes/mains.html - 39k
However, maybe "rice stews", if you don't like wet/dry -
A Question of Taste - Exclusive Food and Wine Tours in Spain
It is famous throughout Spain for the gaping river gorge with a sheer drop of ... we'll indulge in the house speciality which is rice stew with partridge, ...
www.aqot.com/excursions_food_and_wine_in_spain.htm - 16k
Spanish food - Valencia
... arroz a banda (made with fish and shellfish) and arroz caldosa (rice stew). ... Spain is largest producer of almonds after the United States. ...
www.iberianfoods.co.uk/valencia.htm - 25k
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2008-03-10 10:03:30 GMT)
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Cycling, Walking, Bird watching and Mountain activities in the ...
... across spain and along with the local Trout enjoys a well deserved reputation. ... pimenton de patatas (paprika seasoned potatoes) noodles or rice stew, ...
www.sierracastril.com/gastronomy.htm
A Guide to Hondón de las Nieves (Costa Blanca)
Food: Hondon features some of Spain's heartier foods such as arroz caldoso (rice stew), trigo picado (cracked wheat stew) and grilled meat. ...
www.masahondon.co.uk/guide-to-hondon
Information on Torrevieja
<TITLE>Self catering Holidays Spain, France, USA</TITLE> ... the "caldero" - a fish and rice stew popular with the "Torreviejenses" (the native Spaniards). ...
www.torre.co.uk/torrevieja_information.html -
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-03-07 18:54:29 GMT)
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bthere: Inflight Magazine Brussels Airlines » In search of paella
The menu boasts both paellas (a dry rice dish) and melosos or caldosos (wet rice dishes), which range from a paella de sepia y alcachofas (rice with ...
btheremag.com/2006/12/01/in-search-of-paella/
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Note added at 2 hrs (2008-03-07 18:59:37 GMT)
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Korea Garden - Westmont, IL
I checked over the lunch menu, it consisted of noodles, dry and wet, rice dishes, kimchi soup type dishes and some other stuff I haven't tried yet. ...
Map of 204 N Cass Ave, Westmont, IL 60559, USA
www.yelp.com/biz/korea-garden-westmont - 34k
paella: wetness/dryness - Home Cooking - Chowhound
A wet rice dish may not be the ideal paella, but it is not necessarily a failure. The Spanish do cook 'wet' rices, they just don't call them paella. ...
www.chowhound.com/topics/451576 - 75k
Wet and dry rice dishes are what I know them as (and from cookery books, etc.)
Risotto is an Italian dish - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risotto - like a pain au raisins isn't a teacake...
Rice recipes in Mediterranean style are countless and amazingly ...
For dry rice dishes the proportion is two to one. For example 2 cups water to one-cup rice. For sticky rice recipes we use a three to one proportion. ...
www.mediterranean-food-recipes.com/rice-recipes.html - 35
Recipes - Paella and Beyond, Information about the food and drink ...
Any rice dish, whether dry or juicy, needs to rest off the fire at least five minutes to finish cooking and absorb liquid. Paella is never finished in the ...
www.andalucia.com/taste/paella/home.htm - 14k
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Note added at 5 hrs (2008-03-07 21:49:59 GMT)
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http://tinyurl.com/yuz3v4
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2008-03-10 09:17:43 GMT)
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Madras Cafe, Sunnyvale - San Francisco Bay Area - Chowhound
Sambar rice - wet rice dish and very good (but you have to like the wet rice texture) - came with a ton of rice and a side of squash and chutney. ...
www.chowhound.com/topics/303322 - 64k
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2008-03-10 10:01:19 GMT)
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Charles Campion | Blogs | Evening Standard
Safely home among my books checking my facts I find that kedgeree was indeed once a dry rice dish - in "Culinary Jottings from Madras", the redoubtable ...
campion.thisislondon.co.uk/2007/03/musings_on_kedg.html
Spanish Recipes for Main Dishes from LaTienda.com
A dry rice dish made with white beans or chickpeas, a whole head of garlic, and a regional selection of vegetables. 53. Pheasant Alcántara Style ...
www.tienda.com/recipes/mains.html - 39k
However, maybe "rice stews", if you don't like wet/dry -
A Question of Taste - Exclusive Food and Wine Tours in Spain
It is famous throughout Spain for the gaping river gorge with a sheer drop of ... we'll indulge in the house speciality which is rice stew with partridge, ...
www.aqot.com/excursions_food_and_wine_in_spain.htm - 16k
Spanish food - Valencia
... arroz a banda (made with fish and shellfish) and arroz caldosa (rice stew). ... Spain is largest producer of almonds after the United States. ...
www.iberianfoods.co.uk/valencia.htm - 25k
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2008-03-10 10:03:30 GMT)
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Cycling, Walking, Bird watching and Mountain activities in the ...
... across spain and along with the local Trout enjoys a well deserved reputation. ... pimenton de patatas (paprika seasoned potatoes) noodles or rice stew, ...
www.sierracastril.com/gastronomy.htm
A Guide to Hondón de las Nieves (Costa Blanca)
Food: Hondon features some of Spain's heartier foods such as arroz caldoso (rice stew), trigo picado (cracked wheat stew) and grilled meat. ...
www.masahondon.co.uk/guide-to-hondon
Information on Torrevieja
<TITLE>Self catering Holidays Spain, France, USA</TITLE> ... the "caldero" - a fish and rice stew popular with the "Torreviejenses" (the native Spaniards). ...
www.torre.co.uk/torrevieja_information.html -
Peer comment(s):
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Sandra Holt
: Rachel, that last link mentions "juicy", how about "Juicy rice dishes"!
3 hrs
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Thanks Sandra - I saw that, it may work, though it may not be suitable for some of them - the picture link (tinyurl) shows some are more than juicy, I mean
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margaret caulfield
: It sounds as though someone has thrown water onto the rice (jeje).
2 days 6 hrs
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Well, I don't really think so, esp. next to "dry rice dishes"; BTW, (Italian) risotto should have a creamy texture
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