Jan 5, 2009 10:47
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Texte sur les mégalithes. Théorie (controversée) d'A.Thom sur la manière géométrique dont les cercles de pierres ont été érigés."the fit" revient assez souvent et je ne sais pas vraiment comment le traduire
No one ever gave a detailed critique describing in what way Thom's proposed geometrical constructions for the rings were "faltering steps". Thom said they were simply the best fit he could determine for the recorded shapes he had surveyed.
For Nine Ladies ring, Cowan indeed managed a much better fit of all the stones...
To Cowan the hypothethized prehistoric unit or measure lay at the root of Thom's purpose and this apparently had made him blind to the diameter being, in both solutions to the "fit" of Nine Ladies ring.
Other people have attempted to find alternative techniuqes to fit the surveyed shapes, yet unless we can determine exactly how the builders actually constructed the rings, these solutions remain hypothetical. They remain "best fit" solutions
Merci d'avance
No one ever gave a detailed critique describing in what way Thom's proposed geometrical constructions for the rings were "faltering steps". Thom said they were simply the best fit he could determine for the recorded shapes he had surveyed.
For Nine Ladies ring, Cowan indeed managed a much better fit of all the stones...
To Cowan the hypothethized prehistoric unit or measure lay at the root of Thom's purpose and this apparently had made him blind to the diameter being, in both solutions to the "fit" of Nine Ladies ring.
Other people have attempted to find alternative techniuqes to fit the surveyed shapes, yet unless we can determine exactly how the builders actually constructed the rings, these solutions remain hypothetical. They remain "best fit" solutions
Merci d'avance
Proposed translations
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| 4 | la meilleure approximation |
Joëlle Bouille
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| 3 +4 | la meilleure interprétation |
Emérentienne
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| 3 +3 | correspondance optimale |
Tony M
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| 4 | 'best fit' |
kashew
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| 3 | les meilleures solutions |
telefpro
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Proposed translations
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Joëlle Bouille
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la meilleure approximation
fit > approximation
best fit > meilleure approximation
Je pense que "fit" et "best fit" s'inscrivent ici dans le cadre d'études statistiques/mathématiques.
http://hyperion.cc.uregina.ca/~astro/Mega_circ.html:
« Thom surveyed and analyzed several hundreds of megalithic sites, and concluded that the construction parameters integral were integer multiples of the megalithic yard. »
Alexander Thom aurait donc cherché à définir la fonction multiplicative/le facteur multiplicatif en question (integer multiples). Il semble vraisemblable qu'il ait pour cela fait appel à des méthodes mathématiques/statistiques.
Cela est confirmé par la référence suivante.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/megalithicyard.htm:
*Thom initially undertook a statistical analysis* of 46 stone circles and by plotting his measurements on a graph, he noted that many of the diameters of the stone circles came clumped together in groups, there were several examples with close to 22 foot (6.7 m) diameters, another group measuring c. 44 feet (13.4 m) across and another measuring c. 55 feet (16.8 m). A *best fit* for these results implied a *common factor of 5.43 feet* (1.65 m) which he believed could have served as a manageable unit for measuring out figures on the ground. In 1955, following this study, he published an article of his findings in the Journal of the Royal Statistical Society entitled 'A Statistical Examination of megalithic sites in Britain'.
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Analytical methods employed by the British statisticians S.R. Broadbent and D.G. Kendall indicate that the 1955 dataset has a 1% significance meaning that such a *best fit* would only occur in 1 in 100 random datasets. Other archaeo-statisticians consider Thom's original 5.43 feet, the so-called megalithic fathom to provide a more persuasive argument for a standard prehistoric measurement unit.
Un exemple trouvé dans une thèse de doctorat:
http://pastel.paristech.org/1505/01/These_Bertrand.pdf
Page 91: “Certains parameters décrivant une côte isolée (ou un arc costal) étaient calculus dans le plan de meilleure approximation ('best-fit plane' - ..."
Termium traduit "best fit" par "meilleur ajustement", "ajustement optimal" mais les quelques souvenirs que j'ai de mes cours de statistique rendent "meilleure approximation" beaucoup plus familier.
best fit > meilleure approximation
Je pense que "fit" et "best fit" s'inscrivent ici dans le cadre d'études statistiques/mathématiques.
http://hyperion.cc.uregina.ca/~astro/Mega_circ.html:
« Thom surveyed and analyzed several hundreds of megalithic sites, and concluded that the construction parameters integral were integer multiples of the megalithic yard. »
Alexander Thom aurait donc cherché à définir la fonction multiplicative/le facteur multiplicatif en question (integer multiples). Il semble vraisemblable qu'il ait pour cela fait appel à des méthodes mathématiques/statistiques.
Cela est confirmé par la référence suivante.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/megalithicyard.htm:
*Thom initially undertook a statistical analysis* of 46 stone circles and by plotting his measurements on a graph, he noted that many of the diameters of the stone circles came clumped together in groups, there were several examples with close to 22 foot (6.7 m) diameters, another group measuring c. 44 feet (13.4 m) across and another measuring c. 55 feet (16.8 m). A *best fit* for these results implied a *common factor of 5.43 feet* (1.65 m) which he believed could have served as a manageable unit for measuring out figures on the ground. In 1955, following this study, he published an article of his findings in the Journal of the Royal Statistical Society entitled 'A Statistical Examination of megalithic sites in Britain'.
[…]
Analytical methods employed by the British statisticians S.R. Broadbent and D.G. Kendall indicate that the 1955 dataset has a 1% significance meaning that such a *best fit* would only occur in 1 in 100 random datasets. Other archaeo-statisticians consider Thom's original 5.43 feet, the so-called megalithic fathom to provide a more persuasive argument for a standard prehistoric measurement unit.
Un exemple trouvé dans une thèse de doctorat:
http://pastel.paristech.org/1505/01/These_Bertrand.pdf
Page 91: “Certains parameters décrivant une côte isolée (ou un arc costal) étaient calculus dans le plan de meilleure approximation ('best-fit plane' - ..."
Termium traduit "best fit" par "meilleur ajustement", "ajustement optimal" mais les quelques souvenirs que j'ai de mes cours de statistique rendent "meilleure approximation" beaucoup plus familier.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Yes, but here we are NOt talking about 'statistics', but literally about the physical 'fit' of stones to geometry...
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YES WE ARE. Just read the references I posted: "A. Thom initially undertook a STATISTICAL analysis of 46 stone circles and by plotting his measurements on a graph ..."
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "J'ai du mal à me décider ! J'étais partie pour mettre "meilleure correspondance" (voire "meilleure concordance") quand votre réponse est arrivée... Possible que je change encore d'avis juste avant de livrer ma traduction. Merci à tous"
17 mins
les meilleures solutions
I would suggestion
+4
20 mins
la meilleure interprétation
Ce que propose Olivier est juste mais je pense que fit fait référence aussi à la justification d'une configuration, donc l'interprétation qu'on en fait.
Peer comment(s):
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Helen B (X)
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Glen McCulley
: voire "l'interprétation la plus probable"
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Catherine CHAUVIN
: super !
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jean-jacques alexandre
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+3
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correspondance optimale
I think the 'fit' here is describing how the actual positions of the stones can be made to correspond to different geometrical theories — just because they seem to match this or that shape more or less closely, doesn't necessarily mean that was how the layout was actually arrived at.
(and thanks to GM for having pointed out my spelling error, which I have now corrected!)
(and thanks to GM for having pointed out my spelling error, which I have now corrected!)
Peer comment(s):
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emiledgar
: Yes, I think that fit, here, has an actual physical meaning as well as a figurative one.
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Thanks! Yes, I believe it is trying to fit the positions of the stones to different possible geometrical solutions.
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C. Mouton
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Merci, Cécile !
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Emma Paulay
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Thanks, Emma!
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'best fit'
Plenty of examples on googling "les solutions best-fit" so in your scientific document I see no need to be different.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-01-05 12:48:15 GMT)
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Where "fit" occurs alone switch to something along the lines of Tony's suggestion.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-01-05 12:48:15 GMT)
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Where "fit" occurs alone switch to something along the lines of Tony's suggestion.
Example sentence:
Nous chercherons la solution 'best fit' pour vous, tant en termes de hardware que pour le logiciel, et de cette façon nous pouvons vous garantir le choix meilleur qualité-prix.
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