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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

fiordilatte

English translation:

Fiordilatte (whole dairy milk ice cream)

Added to glossary by cynthiatesser
Mar 28, 2011 09:47
13 yrs ago
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Italian term

fiordilatte

Italian to English Other Cooking / Culinary Restaurant menu
Shall I just call this "plain ice cream" or does any one have a more attractive idea to go on a refined menu?
Many thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 fiordilatte
3 +2 milk ice cream
3 cream flavour
3 vanilla
4 -1 full fat ice-cream / pure dairy ice-cream
3 double milk flavour
3 -1 Vanilla
Change log

Mar 28, 2011 09:58: Daniela Zambrini changed "Language pair" from "English to Italian" to "Italian to English"

Discussion

cynthiatesser (asker) Apr 10, 2011:
Thank you Thanks to everyone for your much appreciated contribution
Katia DG Mar 29, 2011:
@Lara Ok, I see. As I said before, I am not familiar with English ice cream naming. My point was that the term "full fat ice cream" may suggest there is no "full fat" in other flavours, which is not the case. I think that leaving "fiordilatte" would be the best option in this specific case.
Lara Barnett Mar 29, 2011:
Ice cream base Here are examples of how an ice-cream "base" can be flavoured with many flavours:
"Our secret is to remain true to the traditional 'home-made' ice cream, which reflects the delicate, subtle creamy qualities you expect from our PURE DAIRY flavour range."
http://www.mullins-icecream.com/partners/flavours.php

"Interesting! I admit I was a little nervous about eating FULL FAT ICE-CREAM but it was so worth it. I preferred the Chocolate Hazelnut Fudge."
http://twobooswhoeat.com/category/chocolate-hazelnut-fudge-c...
Fabrizio Zambuto Mar 29, 2011:
Cristina ha ragione la vaniglia non appare nelle ricette tradizionali.

Gelato fior di latte

Ingredienti: 3,5 dl di latte, 2 dl di panna liquida fresca, 100 gr di zucchero, 1 albume.

http://www.cucinaconme.it/gelato.htm
però ho visto che c'e' come al solito confusione, alcuni siti indicano il fiordilatte come gelato alla vaniglia (ma non sono siti italiani in generale:)
Lara Barnett Mar 29, 2011:
@ katiadegennaro Full fat ice cream / pure dairy ice cream is also a base for any flavour of ice cream. The fact that it is full fat or described as pure dairy does not disqualify it from being "the base for many other icecream flavours" .
cynthiatesser (asker) Mar 29, 2011:
Raffaela Yes, thank you, but I need to know everybody's opinion about it
R.C. (X) Mar 29, 2011:
DOUBLE MILK that's what I wrote as a discussion entry yesterday 12.06
Katia DG Mar 29, 2011:
Fiordilatte is simply the base for many other icecream flavours:

BASE BIANCA
Si tratta della miscela priva di uova, che da' origine anzitutto al gusto fiordilatte,e per aggiunta di ingredienti quali canditi,croccante,meringa sbriciolata e frutta secca,ai gusti di cassata croccante meringa,noce ecc.e per aggiunta di frutta fresca,a pezzetti o in purea,ai gusti cremosi alla frutta. ... La base cosi' preparata corrisponde al gusto fiordilatte,che in genere viene aromatizzata alla vaniglia.
http://www.coquinaria.it/forum/archive/index.php?t-99321.htm...
cynthiatesser (asker) Mar 29, 2011:
Double milk Could this be a suitable idea?
Giles Watson Mar 28, 2011:
Butterfat "Fiordilatte" is "butterfat" but you might run into trouble if you translate it that way here. Butterfat content is an important parameter of all ice creams/gelati and wouldn't really be appropriate as the name of the dish. Cristina and Chiara's "gelato fiordilatte" sounds good to me, perhaps with an explanation ("made with top of the milk"), otherwise Laura's "milk ice cream" is fine.
Gianco (X) Mar 28, 2011:
Context You must watch it! Fiordilatte can also be a type of mozzarella (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozzarella). You need to give the context.
Cristina Munari Mar 28, 2011:
Fiordilatte On a refined menu, I would leave fiordilatte and even replace ice-cream with gelato, as ice-cream contains more cream than Italian gelato.
Katia DG Mar 28, 2011:
I agree with Caterina! I don't know much about English icecream naming, but fiordilatte does not contain vanilla, and I assume that an ice cream flavour named vanilla in English would contain vanilla.
Caterina Rebecchi Mar 28, 2011:
Il gusto "fiordilatte" non ha tra gli ingredienti la "vaniglia" (è fatto di latte, panna e zucchero). Mentre il gusto "crema" è a base di latte, panna, zucchero e tuorli.
R.C. (X) Mar 28, 2011:
vanilla is vaniglia
this is a double-milk one, "fiore" meaning "best of" in this case
cynthiatesser (asker) Mar 28, 2011:
Sorry I got the wrong language pair: It should be ITA-EN

Proposed translations

+3
2 hrs
Selected

fiordilatte

é un gusto tipicamente italiano. Non lo tradurrei, anzi sottolineerei la particolarità tutta nazionale del gusto non traducendola. Un po' come spaghetti o lasagne insomma!
Peer comment(s):
agree corallia
51 mins
agree darwilliam
5 hrs
agree Fabrizio Zambuto : many Eng lang g-hits keeping the term fior di latte untranslated:)
1 day 1 hr
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "In the end, I went for "Fiordilatte (whole dairy milk)", mixing your suggestion with Lara's"
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15 mins

milk ice cream

I have often seen milk ice cream on menu's at fairly fancy restaurants. Please see link below for an example. HTH
Reference:

http://www.gilbeygroup.com/eton/food-and-wine/a-la-cart-menu/

Peer comment(s):
agree Katia DG : or "double milk ice cream"?
24 mins
agree Miranda Menga : d'accordo
26 mins
neutral Shera Lyn Parpia : The link you give says "vanilla ice cream".
2 hrs
Thanks Shera Lyn - it does have vanilla, with the lemon tart, but also has milk further down with the Chocolate Marquise.
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21 mins

cream flavour

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Note added at 30 min (2011-03-28 10:17:19 GMT)
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o lasci fior di latte

http://www.wordreference.com/iten/fiordilatte
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-1
2 mins

Vanilla

Isn't this the same thing? Some people also say "Bourbon vanilla" to make it sound classier....

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Note added at 6 mins (2011-03-28 09:53:23 GMT)
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I guess some do leave it as "fior di latte" - depends on who you're writing for. Might be good if you want to make it sound mysterious :)

Italian Traditional Food - Gelato Alla Vaniglia Or Vanilla Ice Cream
Vanilla ice cream is also known as "Fior di Latte” in Italy. Make sure that for this gelato you use the best vanilla essence or extract you can find as this ...
www.italiantraditionalfood.com/gelato_alla_vaniglia_or_vani...

Fior di Latte Ice Cream with Crunchy Bran Crust, Strawberries and
Fior di latte ice cream: 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 cup whole milk 1/2 cup sugar 1/2 vanilla bean, cut lengthwise, seeds scraped pinch of salt ...
www.thedailygreen.com/healthy-eating/.../451

Brownies « sweetCaKes italy
Christine suggests you serve warm (place in oven for about 6 minutes) and serve with a small scoop of vanilla ice-cream (fior di latte). It's delicious! ...
sweetcakesitaly.wordpress.com/brownies/

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I've always considered "crema" to be custard (with eggs in the mixture, that I think is the primary difference) so gelato alla crema would be frozen custard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_custard or custard icecream.

This site is interesting, and points out the difference between the two main icecream bases http://allrecipes.com//HowTo/homemade-ice-cream/Detail.aspx
Note from asker:
Yes, I have thought of that, too. But I also have "gelato alla crema" which is usually translated by "vanilla". Maybe we can use "vanilla" for fiordilatte and find something else for "crema". Do you have any ideas?. Thank you
Peer comment(s):
disagree Joel Schaefer : As discussed, vanilla is a specific ingredient and flavor which would be identified as vaniglia. This fiordilatte seems to be without an added flavoring.
5 hrs
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8 mins

vanilla

In the United States, "vanilla" is usually "fiordilatte" and "French vanilla" "crema".
However, we also have "vaniglia" in Italian, so some people suggest to leave "fiordilatte" untranslated (see previous post).

Ma la domanda è da italiano a inglese?

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Vanilla ice cream is made from milk and cream, with no eggs ("fiordilatte").
French vanilla is richer and should include egg yolks (like "crema").

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Note added at 22 min (2011-03-28 10:10:10 GMT)
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There are several variations on the standard vanilla flavor, including a particularly rich and creamy variety called French vanilla. French vanilla is more of an egg custard before freezing, and contains egg yolks for a richer consistency.

I think that "French vanilla" is a popular flavor in the UK as well:
http://www.foodnetwork.co.uk/recipes/french-vanilla-ice-crea...


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Note added at 3 ore (2011-03-28 13:04:10 GMT)
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Yes, in UK English they say "courgettes" for "zucchini" and "aubergines" for "eggplants", so why not "French vanilla"?
Reference:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/italian_to_english/food_dairy/823258-fiordilatte.html

Note from asker:
Yes, sorry, I got the wrong language pair! Thanks!!
Your answer is perfect, but unfortunately my outsourcer is an Englishman. He has got at me before for using Americanisms such as "barbecue" or "zucchini"!!!
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7 hrs

full fat ice-cream / pure dairy ice-cream

The "fiore" before the milk(latte) gives the impression of full bloom. I am sure that this is describing the real old fashioned sort of full fat ice-cream as it was traditionally designed, as opposed to low calorie, sorbet, vegetarian or other sorts.

The technical word for this is "full fat ice-cream" which would be well understood by anybody who loves their "real" ice-cream. "Pure dairy ice-cream" would also work, if "full fat" seems a bit banal for a menu, as this is what it is.

Full-fat ice cream: your best bets - nutrition that works for you
Shape, Sept, 2003 by Sharon Cohen, Kathleen Doheny

Sometimes you've just got to have it--whole-milk, full-fat, full-on real ice cream. And, curiously enough, some spas are beginning to agree. "The fat makes a small amount--about 1/3 cup-more satisfying than a larger serving of fat-free ice cream or frozen yogurt," says Marilyn Majchrzak, R.D., food-development manager for the Canyon Ranch Health Resort in Tucson, Ariz., where 2.5-ounce scoops of real ice cream are now being served."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0846/is_1_23/ai_10748...

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Various flavours are available in "pure dairy" or "full fat" ice-creams:

"Our secret is to remain true to the traditional 'home-made' ice cream, which reflects the delicate, subtle creamy qualities you expect from our PURE DAIRY flavour range."
http://www.mullins-icecream.com/partners/flavours.php

"Interesting! I admit I was a little nervous about eating full-fat ice cream but it was so worth it. I preferred the Chocolate Hazelnut Fudge."
http://twobooswhoeat.com/category/chocolate-hazelnut-fudge-c...
Example sentence:

"Desserts: 3 scoops of full fat ice cream served with toffee sauce."

"Pure dairy ice cream: Ice cream by made by real Italians in Wales."

Reference:

http://www.5pm.co.uk/restaurant/edinburgh/city-centre/ghillie_dhu/menus/7667/

http://www.franco-toni.co.uk/

Note from asker:
Thank you, your help was very valuable. I wish I could have split the points.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Katia DG : no, fiordilatte is simply the base for many other icecream flavours
13 hrs
Leaving "fiordilatte" - good. However, as an English speaker, I see no connection which links up "full fat ice cream" to there being no "full fat" in other flavours./ So what is the disagree about? http://www.mullins-icecream.com/partners/flavours.php
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1 day 7 hrs

double milk flavour

let's see how it goes in terms of agreements....
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