Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

White

English answer:

from the white book (records of marriages between white people)

Added to glossary by Charles Davis
Sep 27, 2011 07:45
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English term

White

English Other Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs Marriage license record
Could you please help me understand what the word "white" means in the following statement?

Marriage license record - white.

The record was made in the State of Mississippi.
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Oct 3, 2011 09:31: Charles Davis Created KOG entry

Discussion

Zoya Nayshtut (asker) Sep 27, 2011:
Thank you very much, Demi. Please post your answer
Demi Ebrite Sep 27, 2011:
White form - simplicity Zoya, I found several other refs to "white" forms as the 'official' marriage form to be filed. Whether it is the license or the certified record of marriage probably varies from state to state. Good luck!
Zoya Nayshtut (asker) Sep 27, 2011:
The "white" form seems to fit here Demi, blue is not mentioned anywhere in this document. I think your option of "white" form fits the context since it is mentioned in the title.

Charles, thank you for the link.
Charles Davis Sep 27, 2011:
White The possibilities that occur to me off the top of my head are:

1. Of white race (this is Mississippi, after all)
2. The name White
3. Blank (no record held): not very convincing

Sheila has now added the idea of a "white" marriage (of convenience). It seems a bit unlikely to me that the Mississippi Bureau of Vital Statistics would use this parameter in their records, but still.

Here, by the way, is the website: http://recordsproject.com/marriage/mississippi.asp

"make sure that you are able to distinguish between a marriage license and a marriage license record. A marriage license is a document given to the couple that is married. Whereas a marriage license record gives significant details about the actual wedding and the people that were involved in it"
Demi Ebrite Sep 27, 2011:
Blue? I found a document that was an instruction form for ministers performing weddings (NV). The "white" form was the official document to be filed with the court as the certificate of marriage. The "blue" copy was the souvenir copy for the bride and groom.
Zoya Nayshtut (asker) Sep 27, 2011:
The certificate was issued in 1977 "Marriage license record - white" is the title of the document. It includes application for marriage license where "race" of the applicants is one of the fields.
Sheila Wilson Sep 27, 2011:
"White marriage" This is the term used nowadays for a marriage of convenience. In the USA, I know it is used sometimes to obtain a Green Card etc: an illegal immigrant becomes a legal US citizen when he/she marries a US citizen. Whether it applies here or not is another matter
lorenab23 Sep 27, 2011:
Agree with Demi Could you tell us the year this certificate was issued?
Demi Ebrite Sep 27, 2011:
Need more context Four words make it almost impossible to know what "white" means here. At first glance, it could be taken to mean "race", "white". Can you offer more information?

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from the white book (records of marriages between white people)

It could be, as Demi suggests, that "white" refers here to the white of official copy of the marriage certificate, as opposed to the blue "souvenir" copy retained by the couple. I do not know whether this practice exists in Mississippi, but even if it does, it seems to me that "white", in these terms, is a tautology: all official vital records are "white", so there seems no reason to specify that on the certificate.

I think this is to do with race, and with segregated record-keeping in Mississippi.

It comes as no great surprise to learn that, after the Civil War, "separate books for African-American marriages were kept [in Mississippi"
Alice Eichholz, Red book: American state, county & town sources, p. 367
http://books.google.es/books?id=chC81in93GUC&pg=PA367&lpg=PA...

There were "white", "colored" and "mixed" books:
"Miss Emma Giles married James Clearman on March 9, 1899. The record appears on pg. 219 of the Perry County [Mississippi] Colored Marriage Book covering the dates of August 17, 1897 through January 4, 1900, which is currently housed in the Forrest County courthouse system. The marriage books for the region were divided into either white, colored, or mixed races."
http://webpages.charter.net/djyontz/066.html

This was still going on up to 1960:
"Lauderdale County [Mississippi] MS Marriage Records Lookups by Elizabeth Hagwood
Marriage Records 1800 to 1960 (white book)"
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mslauder/marrage/marr-04.h...

But in 1977, after the Civil Rights legislation? Apparently so, at least in rural Alabama, according to an article in the Lawrence Journal-World dated July 21st, 1991:
"A Civil War-era custom of recording marriages in books marked "white" and "colored" is still practiced in rural Chambers County.
At the red-brick courthouse, where the civil rights movie "Mississippi Burning" was filmed, probate office workers conceded that having segregated records seems outdated, but they said there is nothing sinister about it. [...]
In the case of interracial marriages, 'you have to write it down in both books', said one probate clerk."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2199&dat=19910721&id=S...

If the practice survived until the 1990s in Chambers County, Alabama, and only came to light by chance, it seems perfectly possible, indeed quite likely, that the same thing was still going on in Mississippi in 1977.
Note from asker:
Charles, thank you very much for your extensive research.
Peer comment(s):

agree Demi Ebrite : This is fantastic information! I am amending my response here, Charles, as your references and Alison's supporting refs add up. Apparently, AL and MS have not updated laws in several hundred years! :-) I have enjoyed perusing the information. Great work!
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Thanks, Demi! I was really impressed by your white/blue thing // That's very generous of you; I appreciate it. Somehow it seems plausible that this practice should have survived in MS: general bureaucratic inertia plus ingrained resistance to integration.
agree Alison MacG : I am inclined to agree with this interpretation (see also reference section)
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Many thanks for this, Alison, and for the additional references!
agree jccantrell : If we had a date for the document, we could be more certain, but this is what occurred to me too.
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Thank you, JC! Zoya tells us in the discussion that the certificate is dated 1977. It seems a little surprising that they still had a "white book" as late as this, but old habits die hard, I guess.
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marriage officially authorized

the couple is authorized to marry either by a church or state authority
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White form - official record


Each state seems to have different laws and formalities regarding the marriage certificate, license, and official documentation.

In most states, ministers who perform marriages must file the marriage certificate within a certain amount of time after the marriage is performed to create an official record which is attached to the license and filed with the county and state.

The reference URL notes that the "white" form must be filed, while the "blue" form is the fancy, souvenir record for the bride and groom.

In this case, it may be that the title "white" is the name of the form.

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Reference comments

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Reference:

In support of Charles' suggestion

This assumes that "Marriage License Record - White" is the title of the volume from which a certified extract/copy is taken/made.

Marriages
41. MARRIAGE LICENSE RECORD (White), Aug. 1, 1936--. 1 vol. (3). Transcripts of the various marriage documents, including: application for marriage license, physician’s certificate, consent to the marriage of a minor, marriage bond, marriage license, marriage certificate, and probate judge’s certificate of authenticity of record. Arr. chron. by date application entered. Indexed alph. by initial letters of groom’s surname and chron. thereunder by date of entry.
42. MARRIAGE LICENSE RECORD (Negro), Aug. 1, 1936--. 2 vols. (19, 20). Transcripts of the various marriage documents as in entry 52.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qBlGAQAAIAAJ&q="marriage ...

MARRIAGE AND BOND BOOKS 1-14
1 Marriage License Record Apr. 1823 - Sept. 1825
2 Marriage License Record White Dec. 1827 - Nov. 1834
3 Marriage License Record White Jan. 1835 - Apr. 1840, etc.
The markings on the spines of these volumes are as indicated above but records of marriage of free persons of color are included.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uxK_YM-fxGUC&pg=PP5&dq="m...

1. Certified copy of Marriage License Record maintained by the Circuit Court of Lamar County, MS (Page 76, Marriage License Record-White) and original Marriage License
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/l/e/Aaron-R-Cle...

Hussey, Index to Marriage License Records - White - 1898 to 12/31/02, Geneva County, AL
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ala...
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Demi Ebrite : Good research!
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Many thanks, Demi.
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