Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Oct 9, 2011 11:15
12 yrs ago
Italian term
Italy
ma
Italian to English
Art/Literary
History
Bilbliography
Bibliography of a historical text
The entry reads "nome del libro. Settembre 1966-giugno 1967, Editrice Agenzia Coloniale, Rome, s.a. (ma 1912), pp. 26-27."
I have no idea what "ma" represents here
Any suggestions appreciated
The entry reads "nome del libro. Settembre 1966-giugno 1967, Editrice Agenzia Coloniale, Rome, s.a. (ma 1912), pp. 26-27."
I have no idea what "ma" represents here
Any suggestions appreciated
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | but |
Ivana UK
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| 3 +1 | but first published in |
Tom in London
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| 4 | c. or ? |
Shera Lyn Parpia
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Proposed translations
+1
22 hrs
Selected
but
The literal translation should be fine.
s.a. = senza anno (no year/date of publication)
e.g.
London Duckworth n.d. but 1929 . First Edition. 24 b/w photo plates by Bruguiere. Open Book 72-73 . Bookplate and ownership signature same person ; foxing to the prelims ...
www.harpersbooks.com/store/11260.htm
.. Catalogue of Books Illustrated by Arthur Rackham housed in the Rare Books and Special Collections, McLennan Library, McGill University". [Montreal: n.d. (but 1991)].
www.mcgill.ca/library/library-using/branches/rarebooks/..
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Note added at 22 hrs (2011-10-10 09:29:21 GMT)
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It means that although there is no year of publication the year is known.
s.a. = senza anno (no year/date of publication)
e.g.
London Duckworth n.d. but 1929 . First Edition. 24 b/w photo plates by Bruguiere. Open Book 72-73 . Bookplate and ownership signature same person ; foxing to the prelims ...
www.harpersbooks.com/store/11260.htm
.. Catalogue of Books Illustrated by Arthur Rackham housed in the Rare Books and Special Collections, McLennan Library, McGill University". [Montreal: n.d. (but 1991)].
www.mcgill.ca/library/library-using/branches/rarebooks/..
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Note added at 22 hrs (2011-10-10 09:29:21 GMT)
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It means that although there is no year of publication the year is known.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Julia Campbell Hamilton
: Agree that date in question is not necessarily that of the first edition.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, I agree."
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Tom in London
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
Architecture, design, technical, etc.
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: Italian to English
Related KudoZ points
:
91
but first published in
just a guess
9 hrs
Shera Lyn Parpia
Italy
Italy
Native in English
Italy
translating meaning, not just words
Native in: English
Works in: English to Italian, Italian to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
20
c. or ?
date not given but presumed to be ...
It is the presumed date of this edition, not necessarily the first one.
Both these sources advise the use of square brackets.
see
Dispense - Come si scrive una tesi
www.dssg.unifi.it/_PIM/EFSM/note-tesi.htm -
d) Luogo di edizione, casa editrice, anno. L’ordine di questi tre elementi indispensabili può variare, ma devono esserci tutti. Se non sono dichiarati, ricorrete alle forme [s. l.] = senza luogo di edizione, e [s. d.] = senza data di edizione. Ma si tratta di dichiarazioni di impotenza da ridurre al minimo. Se, pur non essendo dichiarati, li potete desumere, evidenziate l’integrazione con le solite parentesi: [s. d., ma 1880], o: [1880], o infine: [s. l. e s. d., ma Firenze, Albizziana, 1810].
and
http://www.aresearchguide.com/11guide.html
g) If there is no publication date, but you are able to find out from reliable sources the approximate date of publication, use [c. 2005] for circa 2005, or use [2005?]. Always use square brackets [ ] to indicate information that is not given but is supplied by you.
It is the presumed date of this edition, not necessarily the first one.
Both these sources advise the use of square brackets.
see
Dispense - Come si scrive una tesi
www.dssg.unifi.it/_PIM/EFSM/note-tesi.htm -
d) Luogo di edizione, casa editrice, anno. L’ordine di questi tre elementi indispensabili può variare, ma devono esserci tutti. Se non sono dichiarati, ricorrete alle forme [s. l.] = senza luogo di edizione, e [s. d.] = senza data di edizione. Ma si tratta di dichiarazioni di impotenza da ridurre al minimo. Se, pur non essendo dichiarati, li potete desumere, evidenziate l’integrazione con le solite parentesi: [s. d., ma 1880], o: [1880], o infine: [s. l. e s. d., ma Firenze, Albizziana, 1810].
and
http://www.aresearchguide.com/11guide.html
g) If there is no publication date, but you are able to find out from reliable sources the approximate date of publication, use [c. 2005] for circa 2005, or use [2005?]. Always use square brackets [ ] to indicate information that is not given but is supplied by you.
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