Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
grace
English answer:
nobility, generosity, kindness and magnanimity
Added to glossary by
Charles Davis
Apr 10, 2012 06:21
12 yrs ago
English term
grace
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You daughters of Israel, weep over Saul", 2Sm.1:24. Admiration for an adversary is a sign of ***grace*** and character.
Talking about King David.
What is the sense here? Mercy? Or something else?
Talking about King David.
What is the sense here? Mercy? Or something else?
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Apr 16, 2012 09:20: Charles Davis Created KOG entry
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nobility, generosity, kindness and magnanimity
I cannot see how the quality of grace displayed by David here, in his lament for his enemy Saul, can be interpreted either as human mercy or as divine grace (in the sense of a compassionate spiritual gift granted by God). Praise for a fallen adversary does not involve either of these things. It involves grace as a quality of the mind and character, the quality that makes one gracious. This can be defined, I think, as a combination of the qualities mentioned above: a nobility and generosity of spirit.
"gracious
a : marked by kindness and courtesy <a gracious host>
b : graceful
c : marked by tact and delicacy : urbane
d : characterized by charm, good taste, generosity of spirit, and the tasteful leisure of wealth and good breeding <gracious living> "
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gracious
Not all these definitions are relevant here, but I think kindness and generosity of spirit, along with a certain refinement, are what the commentator is referring to by "grace".
It could also involve a projection back onto the OT of the later veneration of David as God's chosen annointed king, who therefore enjoys divine grace: who is in a state of grace (sanctification). Primarily, however, I think it refers to the inherent noble qualities of David that are seen as making him worthy of God's favour.
"gracious
a : marked by kindness and courtesy <a gracious host>
b : graceful
c : marked by tact and delicacy : urbane
d : characterized by charm, good taste, generosity of spirit, and the tasteful leisure of wealth and good breeding <gracious living> "
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gracious
Not all these definitions are relevant here, but I think kindness and generosity of spirit, along with a certain refinement, are what the commentator is referring to by "grace".
It could also involve a projection back onto the OT of the later veneration of David as God's chosen annointed king, who therefore enjoys divine grace: who is in a state of grace (sanctification). Primarily, however, I think it refers to the inherent noble qualities of David that are seen as making him worthy of God's favour.
Peer comment(s):
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P.L.F. Persio
: I agree completely.
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Thank you, missdutch!
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Colin Rowe
: I think your explanation sums this up just about perfectly.
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Thank you very much, Colin!
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William Murphy
: Excellent. I'm not withdrawing my answer as I think it represents the meaning of grace in the Bible. But, the asker is concerned with a contextual sense that you have amply defined. Kudos!
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Many thanks indeed! Very gracious of you, if I may say so :) And yes, I agree with others here: your account of divine grace is spot on!
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katsy
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Thanks, katsy!
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sporran
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Thanks, sporran!
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Robert Kleemaier
: Though the grace bestowed by God is timeless, I would have to agree that this predates the NT concept. This in light of the conversation in the Discussion entries. Context is therefore critical.
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Thank you, Robert. I quite agree.
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Phong Le
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Thanks, Phong Le!
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Denise Phelps
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Thanks, Denise!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks!!"
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mercy
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unconditional love
Grace is the word used to express unconditional love in the Bible. As it is used here in the OT passage it looks forward to the NT message of 'Love thy neighbor' or even, in this case, 'Love thy enemy'.
It differs from mercy, which means to show clemency for some wrongdoing.
A NT way of seeing the difference is:
Grace is getting something we DON'T deserve (salvation/eternal life).
Mercy is NOT getting something we DO deserve. (spiritual death).
It differs from mercy, which means to show clemency for some wrongdoing.
A NT way of seeing the difference is:
Grace is getting something we DON'T deserve (salvation/eternal life).
Mercy is NOT getting something we DO deserve. (spiritual death).
Peer comment(s):
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Colin Rowe
: Not sure I am 100% happy with "unconditional love" in this context, but I very much like your definitions of "grace" and "mercy".
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yes, I jumped to the conclusion (wrongly) that grace here was part of the verse. Asker is looking for a more general applicaion.
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P.L.F. Persio
: yes, leave your answer because your explanation is really good.
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Thanks missdutch.
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(Godly) compassion for mankind
Merriam-Webster
"a. beneficence or generosity shown by God to man
b. a free gift of God to man for his regeneration or sanctification : an influence emanating from God and acting for the spiritual well-being of the recipient
c. a state of acceptance with or of being pleasing to God : enjoyment of divine favor"
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In this specific case compassion/clemency shown by David vis-a-vis his fellow man, even his enemies
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or perhaps more to the point here "Christian virtue"
"a. beneficence or generosity shown by God to man
b. a free gift of God to man for his regeneration or sanctification : an influence emanating from God and acting for the spiritual well-being of the recipient
c. a state of acceptance with or of being pleasing to God : enjoyment of divine favor"
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-04-10 07:52:14 GMT)
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In this specific case compassion/clemency shown by David vis-a-vis his fellow man, even his enemies
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-04-10 07:54:00 GMT)
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or perhaps more to the point here "Christian virtue"
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: Jewish, rather than Christian, virtue given that King David predated Jesus by a few centuries.
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But Evangelicals do not make this distinction. On the contrary, they often apply Jesus-like virtues to Old Testament figures.
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Jack Dunwell
: Grace. The doorway to forgiveness
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Discussion
1Sa_18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
1Sa_18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
1Sa_20:17 And Jonathan caused David to swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his own soul.
He did not love him 'as a man loves a woman...'.
Let us not forget that David loved Jonathan, my namesake and Saul's son, "as a man loves a woman...", and for this reason, when David assumed the throne he demanded respect for the father of his slain friend.