Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

grace

English answer:

nobility, generosity, kindness and magnanimity

Added to glossary by Charles Davis
Apr 10, 2012 06:21
12 yrs ago
English term

grace

English Other Religion Bible thoughts
You daughters of Israel, weep over Saul", 2Sm.1:24. Admiration for an adversary is a sign of ***grace*** and character.

Talking about King David.
What is the sense here? Mercy? Or something else?
Change log

Apr 16, 2012 09:20: Charles Davis Created KOG entry

Discussion

Charles Davis Apr 10, 2012:
@Jonathan Given their personal history, a lesser man than David would have rejoiced at Saul's death. His command to mourn Saul, who had been violently hostile to him, is a sign of his (David's) magnanimity. It is this quality, as I have argued, that is referred to here as "grace": David is gracious, as a true king should be. He respects Saul as a great leader, not just as Jonathan's father. As I have said, I don't believe the NT theological meaning of grace is being invoked here at all. The word refers to a quality possessed by David.
William Murphy Apr 10, 2012:
@ Jonathan Your paraphrase of David's love might give some the wrong idea.
1Sa_18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
1Sa_18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
1Sa_20:17 And Jonathan caused David to swear again, because he loved him: for he loved him as he loved his own soul.
He did not love him 'as a man loves a woman...'.
Jonathan MacKerron Apr 10, 2012:
I think we need to differentiate between the Biblical verse and the ensuing commentary. A command to mourn does not necesssarily denote grace, but rather respect for the dead king. The commentator's interpretation of this being a "sign of grace" is based on New Testament ideals and what 'grace' eventually became to mean.
Let us not forget that David loved Jonathan, my namesake and Saul's son, "as a man loves a woman...", and for this reason, when David assumed the throne he demanded respect for the father of his slain friend.

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nobility, generosity, kindness and magnanimity

I cannot see how the quality of grace displayed by David here, in his lament for his enemy Saul, can be interpreted either as human mercy or as divine grace (in the sense of a compassionate spiritual gift granted by God). Praise for a fallen adversary does not involve either of these things. It involves grace as a quality of the mind and character, the quality that makes one gracious. This can be defined, I think, as a combination of the qualities mentioned above: a nobility and generosity of spirit.

"gracious
a : marked by kindness and courtesy <a gracious host>
b : graceful
c : marked by tact and delicacy : urbane
d : characterized by charm, good taste, generosity of spirit, and the tasteful leisure of wealth and good breeding <gracious living> "
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gracious

Not all these definitions are relevant here, but I think kindness and generosity of spirit, along with a certain refinement, are what the commentator is referring to by "grace".

It could also involve a projection back onto the OT of the later veneration of David as God's chosen annointed king, who therefore enjoys divine grace: who is in a state of grace (sanctification). Primarily, however, I think it refers to the inherent noble qualities of David that are seen as making him worthy of God's favour.
Peer comment(s):

agree P.L.F. Persio : I agree completely.
11 mins
Thank you, missdutch!
agree Colin Rowe : I think your explanation sums this up just about perfectly.
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Thank you very much, Colin!
agree William Murphy : Excellent. I'm not withdrawing my answer as I think it represents the meaning of grace in the Bible. But, the asker is concerned with a contextual sense that you have amply defined. Kudos!
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Many thanks indeed! Very gracious of you, if I may say so :) And yes, I agree with others here: your account of divine grace is spot on!
agree katsy
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Thanks, katsy!
agree sporran
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Thanks, sporran!
agree Robert Kleemaier : Though the grace bestowed by God is timeless, I would have to agree that this predates the NT concept. This in light of the conversation in the Discussion entries. Context is therefore critical.
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Thank you, Robert. I quite agree.
agree Phong Le
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Thanks, Phong Le!
agree Denise Phelps
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Thanks, Denise!
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mercy

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unconditional love

Grace is the word used to express unconditional love in the Bible. As it is used here in the OT passage it looks forward to the NT message of 'Love thy neighbor' or even, in this case, 'Love thy enemy'.
It differs from mercy, which means to show clemency for some wrongdoing.
A NT way of seeing the difference is:
Grace is getting something we DON'T deserve (salvation/eternal life).
Mercy is NOT getting something we DO deserve. (spiritual death).
Peer comment(s):

neutral Colin Rowe : Not sure I am 100% happy with "unconditional love" in this context, but I very much like your definitions of "grace" and "mercy".
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yes, I jumped to the conclusion (wrongly) that grace here was part of the verse. Asker is looking for a more general applicaion.
agree P.L.F. Persio : yes, leave your answer because your explanation is really good.
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Thanks missdutch.
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(Godly) compassion for mankind

Merriam-Webster
"a. beneficence or generosity shown by God to man
b. a free gift of God to man for his regeneration or sanctification : an influence emanating from God and acting for the spiritual well-being of the recipient
c. a state of acceptance with or of being pleasing to God : enjoyment of divine favor"


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Note added at 1 hr (2012-04-10 07:52:14 GMT)
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In this specific case compassion/clemency shown by David vis-a-vis his fellow man, even his enemies

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-04-10 07:54:00 GMT)
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or perhaps more to the point here "Christian virtue"
Peer comment(s):

neutral B D Finch : Jewish, rather than Christian, virtue given that King David predated Jesus by a few centuries.
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But Evangelicals do not make this distinction. On the contrary, they often apply Jesus-like virtues to Old Testament figures.
agree Jack Dunwell : Grace. The doorway to forgiveness
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