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Dec 5, 2012 19:58
11 yrs ago
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русский term

никогда такого не было, и вот опять

русский => английский Искусство/Литература Фольклор цитата из Черномырдина
сделайте мне красиво!)
Proposed translations (английский)
4 +4 There's never been anything like this before, and now here we go again.
4 +3 The likes of this have never been seen before, yet here we are again.
4 +1 never has this happened, and yet again
3 +1 this has never happened, yet here we come again
4 It's totally unprecedented, and here we go again!
4 And look, it happened for the first time once again
4 Never before had we seen anything like this and yet, once again, here it is!
3 we never ran into anything like that...

Discussion

danya (asker) Dec 6, 2012:
thanks everyone, so many good options to pick from!
danya (asker) Dec 6, 2012:
thanks to David for Yogi Berra I think he could match ChVS ;)
Katerina O. Dec 6, 2012:
Oh, we do use deja vu. But only when we get this elusive feeling, not every time we just see something repeatedly.
AxmxZ Dec 5, 2012:
General frequency of use. I've heard deja vu used a gazillion times by Americans, and almost never by Russians.
Rachel Douglas Dec 5, 2012:
@Rita Why do you think that "deja vu" is any more incongruous on Chernomyrdin's lips than on Yogi Berra's?
RitaZ Dec 5, 2012:
I agree with AxmxZ that "deja vu" doesn't quite work here. The "all over again" part is good, though. How about something simple like "never before, yet all over again" ?
David Knowles Dec 5, 2012:
To AxmxZ I like "It's brand new crap all over again", although I admit Rachel's "It's deja vu like you've never seen before" is more elegant. I suspect Mr Black Muzzle was not very elegant.
Rachel Douglas Dec 5, 2012:
@Alex Kh. Why? I don't see that it's at all like the "unheard-of happening" (which is a variation on Berkeley's "The objects of sense exist only when they are perceived" - generally referred to by "If a tree falls in the forest...").
Alex Khanin Dec 5, 2012:
It's variation on Wittgenstein What if something really unheard of happened?
Rachel Douglas Dec 5, 2012:
Right... ... on the Frenchification being possibly out of idiom. On the other hand, people do say "дежавю" in Russian sometimes, don't they? (Besides the TM program, of course.) Also, part of what made it funny from Yogi Berra in the first place was that it's not exactly what one might have expected to be in his vocabulary, either.

Anyway, I like this variation on Yogi Berra. I think it's the most comical we've come up with, so far. David should post it, since he thought of going there, before I did the variation. But "here you go again" that you came up with, and "totally unprecedented" in mine are also good.

So, Danya has quite a few options.
AxmxZ Dec 5, 2012:
Rachel - nice! Although 'deja vu' sounds a bit recherche for V.C. He'd probably say something like "brand new crap all over again."
Rachel Douglas Dec 5, 2012:
Variation on Yogi? It's deja vu like you've never seen before!
AxmxZ Dec 5, 2012:
I actually thought about Yogi Berra and his 'deja vu', but what he said was a tautology, whereas Chernomyrdin's saying was a logical contradiction.
David Knowles Dec 5, 2012:
It's a bit like Yogi Berra (I think it was) It's deja vu all over again!
AxmxZ Dec 5, 2012:
"First time that's ever happened, and now here we go again."
danya (asker) Dec 5, 2012:
in Russia, context has you ;) контекст - это покойный Виктор Степаныч и 8 200 вёрст пустоты.
AxmxZ Dec 5, 2012:
Maybe if we had a bit more context?
danya (asker) Dec 5, 2012:
коллеги, спасибо за варианты но хочется лаконичней и афористичней!

Proposed translations

+4
3 мин
Selected

There's never been anything like this before, and now here we go again.

:) I love Chernomyrdinki.

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Note added at 34 mins (2012-12-05 20:33:19 GMT)
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Or maybe: "First time that's ever happened, and now here we go again."

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-12-05 21:22:57 GMT)
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Or: "It's brand new crap all over again." :)
Note from asker:
nice try) но слов многовато для афористичности
Peer comment(s):
agree David Knowles : It's never happened before, and/but here we go again!
28 мин
agree MariyaN (X)
2 час
agree LilianNekipelov : I agree, but I would use that instead of this and ship now.
10 час
agree PoveyTrans (X)
19 час
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thank you!"
+1
2 мин

this has never happened, yet here we come again

-
Note from asker:
прямолинейненько
Peer comment(s):
agree Katerina O. : Never happened before, and here we go again
7 час
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+1
26 мин

never has this happened, and yet again

Можно ещe сказать "yet here we go again" для второй части, но "and yet again" ближе всего к вашим словам.
Peer comment(s):
agree Anton Konashenok : The most elegant one!
18 мин
neutral Rachel Douglas : I think the only problem with that is that it was said by Victor Stepanovich Chernomydin, whose language would never be described as "elegant". Both "never has" and "yet again" sound very refined and lofty, not colloquial.
47 мин
neutral AxmxZ : That doesn't really sound like a native-speaker's English.
56 мин
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33 мин

It's totally unprecedented, and here we go again!

Both components there are nice and idiomatic, and they contradict each other in just the right way. But it's not too laconic, even with sneaking "It's" in, instead of "This is". I'll think about it some more.
Note from asker:
Hi Rachel, thanks for dropping by!
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+3
47 мин

The likes of this have never been seen before, yet here we are again.

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Note from asker:
It does read well, and I am not sure if it should...
yeah, it does read well, but should it?)
Peer comment(s):
agree Judith Hehir : This reads so well.
2 час
Thanks
agree Alexander C. Thomson : Absolutely, this is the most folkloristic, idiomatic suggestion made. It conveys just the right air (and is perfectly grammatical).
11 час
Thanks, though Rachel's right. It's too grammatical for Chernomyrdin.
neutral Rachel Douglas : Using "yet" makes it sound as if the speaker had actually thought through a relationship between the two halves of the statement. Whereas the "и" of the original is just "off" enough to make this a classic. And "perfectly grammatical" ain't Chernomyrdin.
13 час
agree Uly Marrero : As far as I'm concerned, this is the most idiomatic translation.
2693 дн
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5 час

we never ran into anything like that...

We never ran into anything like that, and look what we're in now!

Поскольку never и again - понятия взаимоисключающие, то употреблять тут стоит что-то одно.
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13 час

And look, it happened for the first time once again

Я постарался сделать это выражение одновременно примитивнее, короче и абсурднее, чтобы как можно более приблизиться к неподражаемому стилю великого Черномысрдина! :)
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2694 дн

Never before had we seen anything like this and yet, once again, here it is!

I think the past perfect speaks to this happening for the first time previously in the past, as a preface to it's resurgence now.
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