Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
provide (interest)
French translation:
fournir des informations stratégiques sur la société
Added to glossary by
HERBET Abel
Jul 4, 2016 22:04
7 yrs ago
English term
provide (interest)
English to French
Law/Patents
Business/Commerce (general)
Group Ethics Rules
Bonjour,
Je suis chargé de la mise à jour du code d'éthique d'une société.
Un passage me pose problème :
"Receiving bribes, money or other personal interest from partners, or providing the Company’s interest to business partners is prohibited."
Je ne comprends pas le sens du verbe "provide" ici : s'agit-il de donner à des partenaires commerciaux des informations sur les intérêts de la société ?
Merci pour votre aide !
Cordialement,
Vincent
Je suis chargé de la mise à jour du code d'éthique d'une société.
Un passage me pose problème :
"Receiving bribes, money or other personal interest from partners, or providing the Company’s interest to business partners is prohibited."
Je ne comprends pas le sens du verbe "provide" ici : s'agit-il de donner à des partenaires commerciaux des informations sur les intérêts de la société ?
Merci pour votre aide !
Cordialement,
Vincent
Proposed translations
(French)
Change log
Jul 6, 2016 17:10: HERBET Abel Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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fournir des informations stratégiques sur la société
dévoiler des petits secrets
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merci
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merci
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Cette proposition me parait la mieux adaptée au contexte. Merci beaucoup ! "
2 hrs
informer (sur les plans stratégiques)
... informer ses pairs commerciaux sur les plans stratégiques de l'entreprise.
Une suggestion.
Une suggestion.
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4 hrs
Divulguer des informations confidentielles aux partenaires commerciaux.
Suggestion
Peer comment(s):
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Germaine
: C'est le sens de "provide".
1 day 11 hrs
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Merci Germaine.
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neutral |
Daryo
: ça serait le "pot-de-vin" le plus bizarre dont j'ai jamais entendu parler! En général les vendeurs d'influence préfèrent recevoir des "récompenses" bien plus palpables ...
1 day 11 hrs
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Mais j'ai pas parl de "pot-de-vin" mais plutôt divulguer des informations confidentielles.
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-1
16 mins
fournir des informations sur les intérêts de la société aux partenaires commerciaux
Asker's understanding is correct! interest = les prises de participation
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Définition du mot 'intérêt'
c) P. méton. Argent, capitaux qu'une personne engage dans une affaire; part qu'elle obtient dans cette affaire. Avec les soixante mille francs que je reçus de ta dot, je pris un intérêt dans une fabrique de Roubaix (Labiche, Cigale chez fourmis,1876, I, p. 194).Perrot, c'est un des soutiens du parti. Un banquier. Il a des intérêts dans les entreprises de travaux publics (Aragon, Beaux quart.,1936, p. 203):
8. ... les filous qui, pour cinquante mille francs qu'ils vous offrent, vous demandent une place de sept mille francs, un intérêt dans le journal, une part des annonces, etc., enfin, s'arrangent pour se rembourser en un an et être à peu près propriétaires du journal. Goncourt, Journal,1864, p. 106
SOURCE: Le Trésor de la Langue Française Informatisé
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Définition du mot 'intérêt'
c) P. méton. Argent, capitaux qu'une personne engage dans une affaire; part qu'elle obtient dans cette affaire. Avec les soixante mille francs que je reçus de ta dot, je pris un intérêt dans une fabrique de Roubaix (Labiche, Cigale chez fourmis,1876, I, p. 194).Perrot, c'est un des soutiens du parti. Un banquier. Il a des intérêts dans les entreprises de travaux publics (Aragon, Beaux quart.,1936, p. 203):
8. ... les filous qui, pour cinquante mille francs qu'ils vous offrent, vous demandent une place de sept mille francs, un intérêt dans le journal, une part des annonces, etc., enfin, s'arrangent pour se rembourser en un an et être à peu près propriétaires du journal. Goncourt, Journal,1864, p. 106
SOURCE: Le Trésor de la Langue Française Informatisé
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Daryo
: that is not "bribery" that is supporting "insider trading" or "industrial espionage" / just because both are illegal doesn't mean they are the same! // the ST being about [the prevention of] bribery is of no concern?
11 mins
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I do not see the relevance of your point!
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neutral |
Germaine
: Je serais d'accord avec "dévoiler/divulguer les intérêts...". La longue périphrase est inutile et l'explication est erronée: seule la Sté peut fournir des participations. Intérêt = sens premier http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/intérêt
6 hrs
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59 mins
English term (edited):
providing the Company’s interest
offrir les avoirs de l'Entreprise
there must be a better formulation, but CL5 about the meaning.
"Receiving bribes, money or other personal interest from partners, or providing the Company’s interest to business partners is prohibited.\"
the clue as to the meaning of "interest" IN THIS ST is in:
Receiving bribes, money or other personal interest from partners
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"other personal interest" is anything else than money that belongs to in some way to partners (like giving free holidays on their private island as a form of bribe, for example)
so by analogy the Company’s interest is anything that "belongs to" in some way to the Company (like letting some other business using for peanuts offices rented by the "briber", or in a less obfuscated form giving free shares in a subsidiary, or giving free stay in hotels belonging to the company etc etc)
it's the same meaning of "interest" as in "l'entreprise A a des intérêts dans ..."
interest
ˈɪnt(ə)rɪst/Submit
noun
noun: interest; plural noun: interests
1.
the feeling of wanting to know or learn about something or someone.
"she looked about her with interest"
synonyms: attentiveness, undivided attention, absorption, engrossment, heed, regard, notice, scrutiny; More
antonyms: boredom
the quality of exciting curiosity or holding the attention.
"a tale full of interest"
synonyms: attraction, appeal, fascination, charm, beauty, allure, allurement, temptation, tantalization
"the region has many places of interest to the tourist"
an activity or subject which one enjoys doing or studying.
"their sole interests are soccer, drink, and cars"
synonyms: hobby, pastime, leisure activity, leisure pursuit, recreation, entertainment, diversion, amusement, relaxation; More
2.
money paid regularly at a particular rate for the use of money lent, or for delaying the repayment of a debt.
"the monthly rate of interest"
synonyms: dividends, profits, returns; More
3.
the advantage or benefit of a person or group.
"the merger is not contrary to the public interest"
synonyms: concern, business, business matter, matter, care; More
archaic
the selfish pursuit of one's own welfare; self-interest.
4.
a stake or involvement in an undertaking, especially a financial one.
"holders of voting rights must disclose their interests"
synonyms: stake, share, portion, claim, investment, stock, equity; More
a legal concern, title, or right in property.
"third parties having an interest in a building"
5.
a group or organization having a common concern, especially in politics or business.
"food interests in Scotland must continue to invest"
verb
verb: interest; 3rd person present: interests; past tense: interested; past participle: interested; gerund or present participle: interesting
1.
excite the curiosity or attention of (someone).
"I thought the book might interest Eliot"
synonyms: be of interest to, appeal to, attract, be attractive to, intrigue, fascinate; More
antonyms: bore
persuade someone to undertake or acquire (something).
"efforts were made to interest her in a purchase"
Origin
late Middle English (originally as interess ): from Anglo-Norman French interesse, from Latin interesse ‘differ, be important’, from inter- ‘between’ + esse ‘be’. The -t was added partly by association with Old French interest ‘damage, loss’, apparently from Latin interest ‘it is important’. The original sense was ‘the possession of a share in or a right to something’; hence sense 4 of the noun. Sense 1 of the noun and the verb arose in the 18th century Sense 2 of the noun was influenced by medieval Latin interesse ‘compensation for a debtor's defaulting’.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-07-04 23:43:04 GMT)
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about the variety of "bribes and kickbacks":
https://www.mcgoverngreene.com/archives/archive_articles/Cra...
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-07-04 23:46:27 GMT)
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http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/support-services/advice/practic...
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Note added at 1 day15 hrs (2016-07-06 14:00:26 GMT)
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when looking for the meaning of "interests" in this ST you have to keep a minimum of logical consistency:
the whole ST is about bribes [not about cartels, nor collusion, nor industrial espionage, nor ...]
Bribery is the act of giving money, goods or other forms of recompense to a recipient in exchange for an alteration of their behaviour (to the benefit/interest of the giver) that the recipient would otherwise not alter.
Bribery is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.[1]
Gifts of money or other items of value which are otherwise available to everyone on an equivalent basis, and not for dishonest purposes, is not bribery. Offering a discount or a refund to all purchasers is a legal rebate and is not bribery. For example, it is legal for an employee of a Public Utilities Commission involved in electric rate regulation to accept a rebate on electric service that reduces their cost for electricity, when the rebate is available to other residential electric customers. If the rebate was done to influence them to look favorably on the electric utility's rate increase applications, however, that would be bribery, and unlawful.
The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the recipient's conduct. It may be
money,
goods,
rights in action,
property,
preferment,
privilege,
emolument,
objects of value,
advantage, or
merely a promise to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery
"Receiving bribes, money or other personal interest from partners, or providing the Company’s interest to business partners is prohibited.\"
the clue as to the meaning of "interest" IN THIS ST is in:
Receiving bribes, money or other personal interest from partners
=
"other personal interest" is anything else than money that belongs to in some way to partners (like giving free holidays on their private island as a form of bribe, for example)
so by analogy the Company’s interest is anything that "belongs to" in some way to the Company (like letting some other business using for peanuts offices rented by the "briber", or in a less obfuscated form giving free shares in a subsidiary, or giving free stay in hotels belonging to the company etc etc)
it's the same meaning of "interest" as in "l'entreprise A a des intérêts dans ..."
interest
ˈɪnt(ə)rɪst/Submit
noun
noun: interest; plural noun: interests
1.
the feeling of wanting to know or learn about something or someone.
"she looked about her with interest"
synonyms: attentiveness, undivided attention, absorption, engrossment, heed, regard, notice, scrutiny; More
antonyms: boredom
the quality of exciting curiosity or holding the attention.
"a tale full of interest"
synonyms: attraction, appeal, fascination, charm, beauty, allure, allurement, temptation, tantalization
"the region has many places of interest to the tourist"
an activity or subject which one enjoys doing or studying.
"their sole interests are soccer, drink, and cars"
synonyms: hobby, pastime, leisure activity, leisure pursuit, recreation, entertainment, diversion, amusement, relaxation; More
2.
money paid regularly at a particular rate for the use of money lent, or for delaying the repayment of a debt.
"the monthly rate of interest"
synonyms: dividends, profits, returns; More
3.
the advantage or benefit of a person or group.
"the merger is not contrary to the public interest"
synonyms: concern, business, business matter, matter, care; More
archaic
the selfish pursuit of one's own welfare; self-interest.
4.
a stake or involvement in an undertaking, especially a financial one.
"holders of voting rights must disclose their interests"
synonyms: stake, share, portion, claim, investment, stock, equity; More
a legal concern, title, or right in property.
"third parties having an interest in a building"
5.
a group or organization having a common concern, especially in politics or business.
"food interests in Scotland must continue to invest"
verb
verb: interest; 3rd person present: interests; past tense: interested; past participle: interested; gerund or present participle: interesting
1.
excite the curiosity or attention of (someone).
"I thought the book might interest Eliot"
synonyms: be of interest to, appeal to, attract, be attractive to, intrigue, fascinate; More
antonyms: bore
persuade someone to undertake or acquire (something).
"efforts were made to interest her in a purchase"
Origin
late Middle English (originally as interess ): from Anglo-Norman French interesse, from Latin interesse ‘differ, be important’, from inter- ‘between’ + esse ‘be’. The -t was added partly by association with Old French interest ‘damage, loss’, apparently from Latin interest ‘it is important’. The original sense was ‘the possession of a share in or a right to something’; hence sense 4 of the noun. Sense 1 of the noun and the verb arose in the 18th century Sense 2 of the noun was influenced by medieval Latin interesse ‘compensation for a debtor's defaulting’.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-07-04 23:43:04 GMT)
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about the variety of "bribes and kickbacks":
https://www.mcgoverngreene.com/archives/archive_articles/Cra...
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-07-04 23:46:27 GMT)
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http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/support-services/advice/practic...
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Note added at 1 day15 hrs (2016-07-06 14:00:26 GMT)
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when looking for the meaning of "interests" in this ST you have to keep a minimum of logical consistency:
the whole ST is about bribes [not about cartels, nor collusion, nor industrial espionage, nor ...]
Bribery is the act of giving money, goods or other forms of recompense to a recipient in exchange for an alteration of their behaviour (to the benefit/interest of the giver) that the recipient would otherwise not alter.
Bribery is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.[1]
Gifts of money or other items of value which are otherwise available to everyone on an equivalent basis, and not for dishonest purposes, is not bribery. Offering a discount or a refund to all purchasers is a legal rebate and is not bribery. For example, it is legal for an employee of a Public Utilities Commission involved in electric rate regulation to accept a rebate on electric service that reduces their cost for electricity, when the rebate is available to other residential electric customers. If the rebate was done to influence them to look favorably on the electric utility's rate increase applications, however, that would be bribery, and unlawful.
The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the recipient's conduct. It may be
money,
goods,
rights in action,
property,
preferment,
privilege,
emolument,
objects of value,
advantage, or
merely a promise to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Francois Boye
: The text above does not refer to 'personal interests'
49 mins
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have you even tried to read the whole of the context given before assuming a meaning of "interests" that doesn't make any sense in this ST???
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disagree |
Germaine
: other personal interest a le sens "autres avantages personnels; pour la sté, il ne s'agit pas des "avoirs" et le cas échéant, on ne pourrait utiliser "offrir" ou "fournir": ce serait du vol. // Stop and think: ça s'appelle de l'e$$$pionnage industriel.
5 hrs
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soudoyer qq. en lui passant des informations confidentielles, ça vous semble plausible ???// des mille et une formes possibles de pots-de-vin dans la vie réelle, je seras extrêmement curieux de voir UN SEUL cas de ce genre!
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Discussion
Merci à tous pour votre aide.
Votre problème, c'est que vous cherchez à expliquer une traduction en vous fondant exclusivement sur l'anglais. Votre prémisse est erronée (fournir des participations gratuites dans une filiale (votre exemple) n'est pas la prérogative d'un employé, ni même d'un cadre dirigeant). Au passage, vous ne faites pas la différence entre usufruit/usage/utilisation (prêter son chalet ou son bateau, des locaux, etc.) et avoirs (biens mobiliers et immobiliers, tangibles et intangibles), pas plus qu'entre "offrir" - c'est vous qui êtes l'instigateur de la corruption; il n'y aura pas d'excuse possible - et fournir/donner/divulguer (vous répondez à une "offre" et pouvez y avoir été contraint).
Protecting confidentiality and preventing corrupt practices are two different areas, AFAIK?
There is also another important point to clarify:
"business partners" are outsiders in relation to this Company that is formulating this anti-bribery policy, that's for sure, but it's not very clear who are the "partners" in "other personal interest from partners" - also outsiders or "partners" as in "other companies from the same group"? [context: ".../Group Ethics Rules]
Selon le contexte, "Interest" peut se traduire intérêt (au sens de locutions comme "conflits d'intérêts", "dans l'intérêt de la société"), droits, participation, préférence et même objectif. Le terme m'apparaît inhabituel dans le contexte soumis, mais je ne vois pas comment il peut se traduire dans le sens "asset" or "property".
that gives some ideas what are bribery and various corrupt practices, you might not rush in assuming what "Company’s interest" could mean.
The idea of passing strategic information about your own company to some foreign official as a bribe to win some big tender is to put politely not very realistic.