Oct 28, 2016 10:52
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Spanish term
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Timo del nazareno
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Fraud
Hi all,
I'm translating a court report from Spanish into British English in relation to a case of fraud. When discussing the legal grounds for prosecuting the accused, the term in question appears. Please see the full sentence below for context:
"En el caso de la variedad de estafa denominada negocio jurídico criminalizado (como son todos los supuestos denominados como "timo del nazareno"), dice la Sentencia del xxx, el engaño surge cuando el autor simula un propósito serio de contratar cuanto, en realidad, solo pretende aprovecharse del cumplimiento de las prestaciones a que se obliga la otra parte ocultando a ésta su decidida intención de incumplir sus propias obligaciones contractuales."
Is there an equivalent term in English that you could use for this type of fraud?
Many thanks in advance for your help!
I'm translating a court report from Spanish into British English in relation to a case of fraud. When discussing the legal grounds for prosecuting the accused, the term in question appears. Please see the full sentence below for context:
"En el caso de la variedad de estafa denominada negocio jurídico criminalizado (como son todos los supuestos denominados como "timo del nazareno"), dice la Sentencia del xxx, el engaño surge cuando el autor simula un propósito serio de contratar cuanto, en realidad, solo pretende aprovecharse del cumplimiento de las prestaciones a que se obliga la otra parte ocultando a ésta su decidida intención de incumplir sus propias obligaciones contractuales."
Is there an equivalent term in English that you could use for this type of fraud?
Many thanks in advance for your help!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +2 | 'Fly-by-night' (ordering) scam |
Kim Kardasho (X)
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| 4 +1 | Long firm fraud |
James A. Walsh
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| 4 | The "Nazarene" scam |
neilmac
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Proposed translations
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'Fly-by-night' (ordering) scam
This con trick certainly does exist outside of Spain, whilst it may not be known as a '(Biblical) Nazarene scam'.
Example sentence:
At least 60 salesmen and suppliers have become victims of a "fly-by-night" scam after its mastermind absconded with car spare parts and groceries worth RM250,000 (S$101,590).
Peer comment(s):
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neilmac
: This covers the nazareno as well as other related scams mentioned IMO.
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THanks & good that your opinion is not IMHO-humble.
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AllegroTrans
: But who the devil is xxxKim Kardasho? This mucking about with identities is surely contrary to ProZ rules
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The "Nazarene" scam
This is a particularly widespread type of fraud in Spain. I don't think we have a direct equivalent for it in English. It basically consists of ordering goods from a firm and then not paying for them. It's very common around Christmas time with things like hampers, hams, crates of booze etc.
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http://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.15/news/on-euro-weekly-new...
"3 jul. 2016 - The criminal stylings employed by the crooks are known as the 'Nazarene scam', a modus operandi involving the creation of a ficticious ..."
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http://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.15/news/on-euro-weekly-new...
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This link describes a sort of Nazarene scam in reverse (collecting money for Christmas hampers then not delivering the godos):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3875048/An...
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Sorry goods, not 'godos' (which they will presumably still be waiting for...)
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Note added at 24 mins (2016-10-28 11:16:22 GMT)
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http://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.15/news/on-euro-weekly-new...
"3 jul. 2016 - The criminal stylings employed by the crooks are known as the 'Nazarene scam', a modus operandi involving the creation of a ficticious ..."
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Note added at 30 mins (2016-10-28 11:22:19 GMT)
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http://www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.15/news/on-euro-weekly-new...
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-10-28 12:11:18 GMT)
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This link describes a sort of Nazarene scam in reverse (collecting money for Christmas hampers then not delivering the godos):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3875048/An...
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-10-28 12:14:22 GMT)
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Sorry goods, not 'godos' (which they will presumably still be waiting for...)
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James A. Walsh
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Spanish term (edited):
Timo del nazareno
Long firm fraud
Here's a definition of "timo del nazareno" from Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timo_del_nazareno
"El timo del nazareno es una estafa tradicional. Se suele usar este timo contra empresas proveedoras que suministran productos que sean fáciles de revender en el mercado negro, como pequeños electrodomésticos, bebidas alcohólicas, etc.
El timador (conocido como el nazareno) se gana primero la confianza de la empresa proveedora haciendo algunos pequeños pedidos que paga rápidamente. Para generar la confianza el timador ofrece como fachada una empresa de apariencia solvente, de la que aporta todos los documentos necesarios convenientemente falsificados, presentándose con trajes impecables, un coche caro, etc.
Una vez generada la confianza en la víctima, el nazareno realiza una compra de mucho más valor, que paga esta vez con letras de cambio o pagarés. Una vez recibido el producto, el nazareno revende la mercancía y desaparece."
And here's a definition of "long firm fraud" from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_firm_fraud
"A long firm fraud (also known as a consumer credit fraud) is a fraud that uses a trading company set up for fraudulent purposes; the basic operation is to run the company as an apparently legitimate business by buying goods and paying suppliers promptly to secure a good credit record. Once they are sufficiently well-established, the perpetrators then purchase the next round of goods on credit and decamp with both the goods and profits from previous sales. The goods can then be sold elsewhere."
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They seem very similar to me. See another definition of "long firm fraud" via the link below.
"El timo del nazareno es una estafa tradicional. Se suele usar este timo contra empresas proveedoras que suministran productos que sean fáciles de revender en el mercado negro, como pequeños electrodomésticos, bebidas alcohólicas, etc.
El timador (conocido como el nazareno) se gana primero la confianza de la empresa proveedora haciendo algunos pequeños pedidos que paga rápidamente. Para generar la confianza el timador ofrece como fachada una empresa de apariencia solvente, de la que aporta todos los documentos necesarios convenientemente falsificados, presentándose con trajes impecables, un coche caro, etc.
Una vez generada la confianza en la víctima, el nazareno realiza una compra de mucho más valor, que paga esta vez con letras de cambio o pagarés. Una vez recibido el producto, el nazareno revende la mercancía y desaparece."
And here's a definition of "long firm fraud" from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_firm_fraud
"A long firm fraud (also known as a consumer credit fraud) is a fraud that uses a trading company set up for fraudulent purposes; the basic operation is to run the company as an apparently legitimate business by buying goods and paying suppliers promptly to secure a good credit record. Once they are sufficiently well-established, the perpetrators then purchase the next round of goods on credit and decamp with both the goods and profits from previous sales. The goods can then be sold elsewhere."
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They seem very similar to me. See another definition of "long firm fraud" via the link below.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
neilmac
: This vaguely rings a bell. It's definitely not as well-known as the Nazareno is in Spain, which is notorious.
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