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Spanish term
United Kingdom
obtener o presentar una demanda o prueba
Spanish to English
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I'm assuming that "presenter una demanda" is "to file a lawsuit" here, although I'm not sure about "obtener". Is "prueba" simply "proof" or "evidence" here?
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
"Todas las cantidades del principal, de intereses ordinarios y de intereses moratorios de este préstamo se pagarán en […]. Si cualquier cantidad debida por una persona bajo esta Hipoteca o por una orden o una sentencia tuviese que ser convertida de una moneda (a los efectos de esta Cláusula, la “Primera Moneda”, Euros (€)), a una “Segunda Moneda”, […]), a efectos de (i) obtener o presentar una demanda o prueba contra tal persona u (ii) obtener una orden o sentencia ante cualquier tribunal o (iii) ejecutar cualquier orden o sentencia pronunciada en relación a esta Hipoteca o a raíz de la misma, dicha persona tendrá la obligación individual y separada de indemnizar a cualquiera de las personas a quienes se les debiese tal cantidad..."
I'm assuming that "presenter una demanda" is "to file a lawsuit" here, although I'm not sure about "obtener". Is "prueba" simply "proof" or "evidence" here?
Thanks very much in advance for your assistance.
"Todas las cantidades del principal, de intereses ordinarios y de intereses moratorios de este préstamo se pagarán en […]. Si cualquier cantidad debida por una persona bajo esta Hipoteca o por una orden o una sentencia tuviese que ser convertida de una moneda (a los efectos de esta Cláusula, la “Primera Moneda”, Euros (€)), a una “Segunda Moneda”, […]), a efectos de (i) obtener o presentar una demanda o prueba contra tal persona u (ii) obtener una orden o sentencia ante cualquier tribunal o (iii) ejecutar cualquier orden o sentencia pronunciada en relación a esta Hipoteca o a raíz de la misma, dicha persona tendrá la obligación individual y separada de indemnizar a cualquiera de las personas a quienes se les debiese tal cantidad..."
Proposed translations
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| 3 +1 | securing or submitting a lawsuit or evidence |
Michael Powers (PhD)
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liz askew
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| "obtener" |
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Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
US Court Cert. 1980 Ph.D. 1981
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
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securing or submitting a lawsuit or evidence
Many years ago when I was in a conference with the Chief Interpreter for federal court interpreters in Los Angeles, she stated that it is preferable to use the translation of "evidence" for "prueba(s)" in the legal context.
I have usually used "secure" in this context for the verb "obtener."
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Hi, Ruth, my understanding is that this evidence could very well be discovery. It that is the case, it is a two-way street and therefore could be both securing or receiving as well as submitting or giving. With regard to the lawsuit, since it is against or versus such person or this person, I would assume that the meaning of securing a lawsuit means it would be submitted against the defendant or party.
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I believe in American English it could be a "complaint" or in British English "particulars of claim" (as of 1999) or "statement of claim" (pre-1999).
I have usually used "secure" in this context for the verb "obtener."
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Hi, Ruth, my understanding is that this evidence could very well be discovery. It that is the case, it is a two-way street and therefore could be both securing or receiving as well as submitting or giving. With regard to the lawsuit, since it is against or versus such person or this person, I would assume that the meaning of securing a lawsuit means it would be submitted against the defendant or party.
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I believe in American English it could be a "complaint" or in British English "particulars of claim" (as of 1999) or "statement of claim" (pre-1999).
Note from asker:
| Thanks Mike. That's helpful. |
| Hi Mike, does the "obtener", ie securing go with the evidence and the "presentar" go with the lawsuit and evidence? I'm just wondering if it's possible to "secure" a lawsuit. |
| I'm just wondering if "demanda" could be a "claim" rather than a "lawsuit" in this context. |
| Hi Mike, I also have "statement of claim" and "particulars of claim" as definitions of "demanda" in my dictionary. I must admit that if it was "presenter una demanda contra" on its own I would think that it's to do with filing a lawsuit, but with the "obtener" and "evidencia" either side, it seems to be muddying the waters somewhat. |
Reference comments
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Reference:
finding
Traducción en español de “to take legal action” | Collins Diccionario ...
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/es/diccionario/ingles-espa...
to take legal action against sb poner una denuncia a algn , presentar una demanda (judicial) contra algn. Ver legal (sense 1) .
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Diccionario Jurídico Inglés-español, Español-inglés Aspen
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=9041127372 - Translate this page
Steven M. Kaplan - 2008 - Foreign Language Study
... to file, to propose, to show presentar evidencia – to present evidence presentar prueba – to produce proof, to produce evidence presentar un recurso – to file ...
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/es/diccionario/ingles-espa...
to take legal action against sb poner una denuncia a algn , presentar una demanda (judicial) contra algn. Ver legal (sense 1) .
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Diccionario Jurídico Inglés-español, Español-inglés Aspen
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=9041127372 - Translate this page
Steven M. Kaplan - 2008 - Foreign Language Study
... to file, to propose, to show presentar evidencia – to present evidence presentar prueba – to produce proof, to produce evidence presentar un recurso – to file ...
Note from asker:
| Thanks Liz. |
1 day 16 hrs
AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Sensible solutions
Native in: English (Variant: Wessexois) 
Works in: French to English, English, English to French
Related KudoZ points
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577
Reference:
"obtener"
Translations of obtener
verb
get
obtener, llegar, conseguir, recibir, hacer, ponerse
obtain
obtener, conseguir, lograr, adquirir, prevalecer, regir
earn
ganar, obtener, ganarse, percibir, merecer, adquirir
secure
asegurar, garantizar, obtener, proteger, sujetar, afianzar
procure
obtener, conseguir, procurarse, llevar a la prostitución, dedicarse al proxenetismo
derive
derivar, obtener, deducir, inferir, sacar provecho
acquire
adquirir, obtener, conseguir, aprender, contraer, tomar por
elicit
obtener, provocar, sonsacar
get in
entrar, llegar, obtener, volver, regresar, recoger
poll
sondear, encuestar, votar, obtener, registrar los votos de, descornar
verb
get
obtener, llegar, conseguir, recibir, hacer, ponerse
obtain
obtener, conseguir, lograr, adquirir, prevalecer, regir
earn
ganar, obtener, ganarse, percibir, merecer, adquirir
secure
asegurar, garantizar, obtener, proteger, sujetar, afianzar
procure
obtener, conseguir, procurarse, llevar a la prostitución, dedicarse al proxenetismo
derive
derivar, obtener, deducir, inferir, sacar provecho
acquire
adquirir, obtener, conseguir, aprender, contraer, tomar por
elicit
obtener, provocar, sonsacar
get in
entrar, llegar, obtener, volver, regresar, recoger
poll
sondear, encuestar, votar, obtener, registrar los votos de, descornar
Note from asker:
| Thanks. This is a useful list. |
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