Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
hacer una frase
English translation:
No pun intended
Added to glossary by
Debora Blake
Feb 4, 2020 15:50
4 yrs ago
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Spanish term
hacer una frase
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
This is from a text written about Argentine artist Juan del Prete in a popular collection of art books from the 1940s.
“Del Prete desde el comienzo trabaja con intensidad febril. No queremos hacer una frase si decimos que pese a su talante físico aparentemente frío, el artista, sin que se advierta, debe estar pintando con temperatura alta.
Trabaja mucho, de día y de noche, y rompe casi todo lo que produce. Es así que, en instantes de introspección, de autocrítica, destruye buena parte de su obra. Se salvan algunas pocas piezas que le fueron arrebatadas por manos afectivas, algunas de las cuales desde entonces figuran en museos de provincias y en inteligentes colecciones particulares”
Could it be like "mandarse la parte"...assert with an excess of confidence?
“Del Prete desde el comienzo trabaja con intensidad febril. No queremos hacer una frase si decimos que pese a su talante físico aparentemente frío, el artista, sin que se advierta, debe estar pintando con temperatura alta.
Trabaja mucho, de día y de noche, y rompe casi todo lo que produce. Es así que, en instantes de introspección, de autocrítica, destruye buena parte de su obra. Se salvan algunas pocas piezas que le fueron arrebatadas por manos afectivas, algunas de las cuales desde entonces figuran en museos de provincias y en inteligentes colecciones particulares”
Could it be like "mandarse la parte"...assert with an excess of confidence?
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Change log
Feb 8, 2020 07:46: Debora Blake Created KOG entry
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No pun intended
This is what we say in this case.
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Comment: "thanks"
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coin a phrase
coin a phrase,
it means to invent a new saying or idiomatic expression that is new or unique.
it means to invent a new saying or idiomatic expression that is new or unique.
Example sentence:
She was, to coin a phrase, as clever as fox.
Peer comment(s):
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Alexandra Stephens
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bigedsenior
: it doesn't fit the context
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ormiston
: But what follows is not a familiar locution at all! we
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neilmac
: I share the same misgivings as ormiston. It's not quite right for the context.
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Lester Tattersall
: Despite what some online sources may say "to coin a phrase" doesn't mean "to invent a new saying or idiomatic expression that is new or unique." It's an expression used in specific circumstances that are not present here.
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Debora Blake
: Totally inappropriate here. @Lester: In US English, "to coin a phrase" very much does mean to invent a new experession.
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Yvonne Gallagher
: Not disagreeing as that would mean disagreeing with most others as well. In UK English "to coin a phrase" also means to invent a new expression and does not fit here
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exaggerate (here)
Although not a literal translation, this could work, as it expresses the same notion.
"We are not exaggerating if we say that despite his apparently cold physical mood, the artist... must be painting at high temperature."
Or (pax Marcelo):
"If we say that despite his apparently cold physical expression, the artist, ...must be painting at high temperature, it is no mere wordplay.
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I'd have more trouble translating "sin que se advierta" and "talante" in that paragraph.
"We are not exaggerating if we say that despite his apparently cold physical mood, the artist... must be painting at high temperature."
Or (pax Marcelo):
"If we say that despite his apparently cold physical expression, the artist, ...must be painting at high temperature, it is no mere wordplay.
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I'd have more trouble translating "sin que se advierta" and "talante" in that paragraph.
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to create a metaphor
A metaphor is a figure of speech that describe an object or action that isn't literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison.
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overstate the case/ come up with a phrase
It's all from context, and I would use overstate the case myself.
These options reference coin a phrase and exaggerate but are more subtle/subliminal to me.
Agree that coin a phrase does mean invent a new one.
Come up with a phrase is more finding the right one (and you can change phrase to term/word, description, metaphor or whatever fits best the hot/cold comparison the author sets up) so it doesn't have to be new.
Overstate the case means you're not going too far in asserting or using this analogy/comparison/whatever. It's one step pulled back from exaggerate.
I would use overstate the case, but a lot depends on your style and the tone you've established in your translation...
These options reference coin a phrase and exaggerate but are more subtle/subliminal to me.
Agree that coin a phrase does mean invent a new one.
Come up with a phrase is more finding the right one (and you can change phrase to term/word, description, metaphor or whatever fits best the hot/cold comparison the author sets up) so it doesn't have to be new.
Overstate the case means you're not going too far in asserting or using this analogy/comparison/whatever. It's one step pulled back from exaggerate.
I would use overstate the case, but a lot depends on your style and the tone you've established in your translation...
Example sentence:
It would not be overstating the case if we say that despite his... cold/hot
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Yvonne Gallagher
: agree ONLY with "overstate the case". Fits perfectly
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Thanks Yvonne, I agree 100% with your comment for this context. Added come up with because I could see using that for hacer un phrase in another context. But not here...
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to make/create a (type of) play on words
Describing his fever-pitch work pace with a cold disposition, and later using 'temperatura alta'
Possible translation:
"From the [very] beginning, Del Petro works feverishly. No play on words [or sort of pun] intended but despite his seemingly cold predisposition, the artist, without noticing, must have been painting while [quite literally] running a high temperature/fever"
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As for the suggestion of 'to coin,' I don't see what could be coined (o acuñado).
Rather than inventing a new phrase, s/he appears to be using/playing with contrasting terms (fever, cold, and high temperature) to describe the artist and his work ethic??
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Correction: 'must be painting' (and not 'must have been')
Another, more slightly literal option:
From the start, del Prete works at a fever pitch. If we say that, despite the artist's seemingly cold nature, he, without noticing, must be painting with a high temperature, we mean not to simply turn a phrase/create a sort of play on words. He works a lot, day and night, and tears up [destroys] almost everything he produces
at a fever pitch (idiom)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fever-pi...
sin que se advierta = without noticing
su talante físico aparentemente frío = his seemingly cold (physical) nature
hacer una frase = turn a phrase/create sort of a play on words
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Through the use of 'frio,' 'temperatura alta,' and 'intensidad febril,' with the latter easily rendered as 'feverishly' or 'at a fever pitch,' the author appears to be engaging in a sort of a play on words, as s/he very cleverly expresses a contrast between the artist's *cold* demeanor and the *feverish* intensity of his work habits, hence my suggestions.
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Perhaps the idiom 'to turn a phrase,' which I added at the 9-hour mark, may also be an especially good option.
"...we do not intend to (simply) turn a phrase..."
"turn a phrase" (idiom)
To express something in very adept, elegant, and clever terms.
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/turn a phrase
I hope this helps! Cheers from Vietnam :-)
Possible translation:
"From the [very] beginning, Del Petro works feverishly. No play on words [or sort of pun] intended but despite his seemingly cold predisposition, the artist, without noticing, must have been painting while [quite literally] running a high temperature/fever"
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As for the suggestion of 'to coin,' I don't see what could be coined (o acuñado).
Rather than inventing a new phrase, s/he appears to be using/playing with contrasting terms (fever, cold, and high temperature) to describe the artist and his work ethic??
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Note added at 9 hrs (2020-02-05 00:56:19 GMT)
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Correction: 'must be painting' (and not 'must have been')
Another, more slightly literal option:
From the start, del Prete works at a fever pitch. If we say that, despite the artist's seemingly cold nature, he, without noticing, must be painting with a high temperature, we mean not to simply turn a phrase/create a sort of play on words. He works a lot, day and night, and tears up [destroys] almost everything he produces
at a fever pitch (idiom)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fever-pi...
sin que se advierta = without noticing
su talante físico aparentemente frío = his seemingly cold (physical) nature
hacer una frase = turn a phrase/create sort of a play on words
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Through the use of 'frio,' 'temperatura alta,' and 'intensidad febril,' with the latter easily rendered as 'feverishly' or 'at a fever pitch,' the author appears to be engaging in a sort of a play on words, as s/he very cleverly expresses a contrast between the artist's *cold* demeanor and the *feverish* intensity of his work habits, hence my suggestions.
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Perhaps the idiom 'to turn a phrase,' which I added at the 9-hour mark, may also be an especially good option.
"...we do not intend to (simply) turn a phrase..."
"turn a phrase" (idiom)
To express something in very adept, elegant, and clever terms.
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/turn a phrase
I hope this helps! Cheers from Vietnam :-)
Peer comment(s):
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neilmac
: "We are not just playing with words when we say that...."
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Yes, or ending with 'wordplay' as you've suggested as well. Thanks, Neil
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Yvonne Gallagher
: I don't see how "to make/create a (type of) play on words" fits in this sentence?
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Thanks for your opinion. >Through the use of 'frio,' 'temperatura alta,' and 'intensidad febril,' with the latter easily rendered as 'feverishly' or 'at a fever pitch,' the author appears to be engaging in a sort of a play on words.
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Discussion
To coin a phrase
Longman Dictionary, 'said in a joking way when you use a very common expression, to show that you know it is used a lot.'
Macmillan Dictionary, '(British) used when you realize that something you have said is a very well-known phrase or expression'
So it's not used to 'invent a new saying' - exactly the opposite, in Britain.
I posted this at the 2-hr mark in my explanation box, under the heading of "possible translation."