Oct 18, 2020 17:31
3 yrs ago
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Spanish term
sustantiva
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Sus datos personales serán objeto de tratamiento en esta notaría, los cuales son necesarios para el cumplimiento de las obligaciones legales del ejercicio de la función pública notarial, conforme a lo previsto en la normativa prevista en la legislación notarial, de prevención del blanqueo de capitales, tributaria y, en su caso, *sustantiva* que resulte aplicable al acto o negocio jurídico documentado.
The above passage is from a power of attorney made in Spain, in the section where the grantor of power is informed about data protection.
I am unable to understand the use of "sustantiva" in that sentence (towards the end).
The above passage is from a power of attorney made in Spain, in the section where the grantor of power is informed about data protection.
I am unable to understand the use of "sustantiva" in that sentence (towards the end).
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | substantive law (and regulations) |
TechLawDC
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| 3 +1 | substantive |
neilmac
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| 3 | any and all rights and resposibilities |
David Hollywood
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| 3 | considerable |
Lisa Rosengard
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References
| normativa sustantiva |
Ana Vozone
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| substantive |
Taña Dalglish
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Proposed translations
9 hrs
David Hollywood
Native in English
Works in field
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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1245
any and all rights and resposibilities
Substantive law is the set of laws that governs how members of a society are to behave. ... Substantive law defines rights and responsibilities in civil law, and crimes and punishments in criminal law. It may be codified in statutes or exist through precedent in common law.
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in your particular context
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Note added at 9 hrs (2020-10-19 03:20:01 GMT)
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in your particular context
14 hrs
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
experienced and well qualified linguist
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: Spanish to English, English, Spanish, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
36
considerable
It's also substantive as it has an effect which could be an influencing factor.
The description is in relation to notarial work which has a substantive or considerable effect.
'El capital puede ser tributario, y en su caso sustantivo, que resulte aplicable al acto u negocio, jurídico documentado.'
'The money may be contributory (tax-paying) capital, and in this case it's considerably substantive, as it may be applicable during legal, business and documented events or proceedings.'
The description is in relation to notarial work which has a substantive or considerable effect.
'El capital puede ser tributario, y en su caso sustantivo, que resulte aplicable al acto u negocio, jurídico documentado.'
'The money may be contributory (tax-paying) capital, and in this case it's considerably substantive, as it may be applicable during legal, business and documented events or proceedings.'
Example sentence:
'Sus datos personales serán objetos de tratamiento en esta notaría, los cuales son necesarios para el cumplimiento de las obligaciones legales del ejercicio de la función pública notarial, de la prevención del blanqueo de capitales.'
'Personal information will be an object for attention in a public notary's office, which is necessary for purposes of legal requirements, within the practice of public notary work towards the prevention of money laundering.'
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43 mins
substantive
In the sample paragraph provided, I would probably just use the literal translation. It looks like boilerplate legalese.
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I think it t refers to !"normativa", as in Anna's reference post:
https://www.linguee.com/spanish-english/translation/normativ...
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I.e. "substantive regulations":
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:2 section:138...
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"Legislative or substantive regulations are those that are issued pursuant to a specific authorization...."
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NB: It is not "missing a noun". It collocates with "normativa (regulations), as in Ana's reference (normativa sustantiva).
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Note added at 21 hrs (2020-10-19 14:37:29 GMT)
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Perhaps it works better as an adverb in English (substantively = with regard to legal rights and duties).
So, one possible version of your whole sentence could be something along these lines:
“Your personal data will be processed in this notary's office, as required with the legal obligations of the exercise of the notarial public function, in accordance with the provisions of the regulations set forth in notarial legislation, on prevention of money laundering, taxation and, where appropriate, substantively, as applicable to the documented legal act or business.”
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Note added at 14 hrs (2020-10-19 07:52:07 GMT)
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I think it t refers to !"normativa", as in Anna's reference post:
https://www.linguee.com/spanish-english/translation/normativ...
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Note added at 14 hrs (2020-10-19 07:53:09 GMT)
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I.e. "substantive regulations":
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:2 section:138...
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Note added at 14 hrs (2020-10-19 07:53:54 GMT)
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"Legislative or substantive regulations are those that are issued pursuant to a specific authorization...."
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Note added at 20 hrs (2020-10-19 14:30:33 GMT)
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NB: It is not "missing a noun". It collocates with "normativa (regulations), as in Ana's reference (normativa sustantiva).
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Note added at 21 hrs (2020-10-19 14:37:29 GMT)
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Perhaps it works better as an adverb in English (substantively = with regard to legal rights and duties).
So, one possible version of your whole sentence could be something along these lines:
“Your personal data will be processed in this notary's office, as required with the legal obligations of the exercise of the notarial public function, in accordance with the provisions of the regulations set forth in notarial legislation, on prevention of money laundering, taxation and, where appropriate, substantively, as applicable to the documented legal act or business.”
Note from asker:
| Thanks, do you know which noun the adjective "sustantiva" refers to in this particular sentence? It doesn't make much sense if I translate that part as "... and, where applicable, substantive that is applicable to the legal act or business documented" in English. "Substantive" looks like it's missing a noun. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Robert Carter
: Yes, as in substantive law (cf. procedural law). I'd quibble with some of the choices you've made in your translation of the sentence though.
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Cheers :) Obviously, it needs tweaking and I was just passing through...
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1 day 6 hrs
substantive law (and regulations)
This is very standard language. There is substantive law and there is procedural law. The author is reciting various types of applicable law, and one of these types is: "substantive law applicable to the act or transaction being documented [(in the Notarial Deed in question in a given instance)]".
(For "applicable" one may substitute "pertaining".)
(For "applicable" one may substitute "pertaining".)
Reference comments
38 mins
Ana Vozone
Works in field
Will do!
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: European/Portugal) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, French to Portuguese, German to Portuguese, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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48
1 hr
Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Specializes in field
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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735
Reference:
substantive
Personal data ..... in its case, substantive ..., i.e. based on fact/having a firm basis/foundation, so that the act can have validity and be upheld.
substantive
1. having a firm basis in reality and so important, meaningful, or considerable.
"there is no substantive evidence for the efficacy of these drugs"
2. having a separate and independent existence.
substantive
1. having a firm basis in reality and so important, meaningful, or considerable.
"there is no substantive evidence for the efficacy of these drugs"
2. having a separate and independent existence.
Note from asker:
| "datos" is masculine plural and "sustantiva" is feminine singular, so it doesn't seem like it applies to the datos. Do you know which noun "sustantiva" applies to? |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
neilmac
: I've already pointed out (hours ago) that it collocates with "normativa"....
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Thanks so much Neil. I know the question was asked repeatedly. Stay safe!
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