Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

avoids vs. does not have to

English answer:

avoids: something distasteful or unpleasant -- not have to do: not required

Added to glossary by Charlesp
Jan 5, 2006 22:29
18 yrs ago
English term

avoids vs. does not have to

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This is a question of what is better in English 'avoid' or "does not have to," or if either are equally correct

Here are some examples:

(they are talking about advantages)

a) one avoided having to open and throw away the wrapping
b) one did not have to open and throw away the wrapping

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a) I avoided having to touch the actual product
b) I did not have to touch the actual product

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a) as one avoids having to open a bag
b) as one does not have to open a bag

Discussion

jccantrell Jan 5, 2006:
One other thing. In the USA at least, you almost never use 'one.' We tend to personalize such things here. Viz., a) You do not have to open and throw away ...
Mikhail Kropotov Jan 5, 2006:
Better for what?

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avoids

For the most part, Charles, it is a matter of style. Both are correct here, but in your examples, I would definitely prefer 'avoid'. *Avoiding* having to do something is more active and "powerful" (and perfect for expressing an advantage) than simply "not having to do it", which is rather passive and dull. The thing being avoided need not be explicitly unpleasant, it can simply be something I (or the target audience) would prefer to not have to do, or something that I find burdensome/annoying.

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And the list goes on. Good luck.

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Note added at 1 hr 26 mins (2006-01-05 23:56:35 GMT)
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P.S. I agree with JC's remark regarding "one"

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Note added at 1 day 20 hrs 23 mins (2006-01-07 18:53:02 GMT)
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As I understand your question, Charles, you are referring to this one specific type of construction, not the difference between "to not have to" and "to avoid". As a native speaker of English, you obviously know the difference between the expressions in other contexts. However, your examples do not involve simply "to avoid", but rather "to avoid *having to*", which is a different kettle of fish. I think your examples could definitely use some reworking, but as for the point you are trying to get across -- namely that something is creating an advantage -- I would use "avoid [the disadvantageous aspect]" (or some other strong verb) in all of them.

Just as an example:
[Our new and improved packaging method] avoids (or, yes, obviates) the need to open and throw away the wrapping

or

[By using this new method] I avoided having to touch the actual product
Peer comment(s):

neutral Marcelo González : "for the most part," it would be difficult to quantify, and not "...a matter of style"; it's a question of meaning. One structure conveys one; the other structure conveys another.
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"avoid" in all of the cases

avoids vs. does not have to
Peer comment(s):

disagree Tony M : I don't believe they are strictly interchangeable; please see my own answer for explanation
8 hrs
I said to use "avoid" in all of the cases - I did not say that they were interchangeable
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8 mins

they're different; which to use depends

does not have to:
this means there is no obligation to do so

example: You don't have to do the dishes; I'll do them.

avoid:
This implies there's something you would rather not do.

example: She doesn't want to talk to her cousin, so she avoided doing so at the family reunion; she stayed on one side of the house, while her was on the other.

Hope this helps.

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Note added at 9 mins (2006-01-05 22:38:51 GMT)
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Excuse me: that's "while her cousin was on the other" :-)
Peer comment(s):

agree jccantrell : I agree with this. It depends entirely on what you want to say. Do they HAVE to do it? Then 'avoid'
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exactly. "have to" is "obligation" (real or just felt) // thanks, jcantrell!
agree zaphod
33 mins
thank you, zaphod!
agree Jack Doughty
34 mins
Thanks, Jack!
agree Dave Calderhead
55 mins
Thank you, David!
agree Alexander Demyanov
58 mins
Thank you, Alexander!
agree Gerard Burns Jr. : YES. The differences are significant.
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They sure are. Thank you, Gerard Michael.
agree Tony M
8 hrs
Thank you, Dusty!
agree Ulrike Kraemer
10 hrs
Thanks, LittleBalu!
agree Alfa Trans (X)
18 hrs
Thank you, Marju!
agree Peter Shortall
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Thank you, Peter!
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obviates

The one word "obviates" replaces "avoids having to". I find both "does not have to" and "avoids having to" clumsy.

2. obviate - prevent the occurrence of; prevent from happening; "Let's avoid a confrontation"; "head off a confrontation"; "avert a strike"
deflect, fend off, head off, stave off, ward off, avert, avoid, debar
foreclose, forestall, preclude, prevent, forbid - keep from happening or arising; have the effect of preventing; "My sense of tact forbids an honest answer"
Peer comment(s):

agree Dave Calderhead
49 mins
Thanks Dave!
agree Tony M : Yes, although I think 'obviates' needs to be followed by a noun (or gerund), so I'm not sure you can use it without something like 'having' or 'doing' to follow...? // Yes, but I think you still need to cover 'having to...'
8 hrs
Thanks Dusty. How about "It obviates opening and throwing away..."?
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does not have to

I'm with Ruth on this one --- I prefer to avoid 'avoid', if you're trying to use it in the kind of examples given.

In my view, 'to avoid' used in a personal way like this means 'to get round having to...' etc. --- it is NOT synonymous with 'to not have to'

HOWEVER, if you use it IMpersonally, then I believe it is usable here, and the sentences you've given could be made to work:

"Doing this avoids your having to touch the product"

Here, as Michael has pointed out, the meaning is similar to 'obviates' --- though I'm not as convinced as he that you can leave off the 'having to...' with 'obviate' any better than with 'avoid' --- 'obviates the need to...'

So I would say the terms are not interchangeable in your sentences as given, but re-casting the sentences could allow you to use any of the three terms.

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better to avoid 'avoid'

To me, you avoid doing something distasteful or unpleasant. If it is simply a matter of convenience or saving time, I don't think "avoid" would be the word of choice.

One saves having to open and throw away the wrapping.
One needn't touch the product.

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Note added at 18 hrs 13 mins (2006-01-06 16:42:49 GMT)
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And Cantrell is right about US usage. We would use the impersonal 'you'.
Peer comment(s):

agree Marina Soldati
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Thanks, Marina
agree Aotearoa
16 mins
Thanks, Fiona
agree Kevin Kelly : Absolutely, for the context described.
18 mins
Thanks, Kevin
agree cmwilliams (X)
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Thanks, CMW
agree Tony M : Exactly, at least when used personally like this
8 hrs
Thanks, Dusty
agree Ulrike Kraemer
10 hrs
Thanks, Balu
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