Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

Real Escuela Militar (Reino Unido)

English answer:

Royal Military College (pre-1947) / Royal Military Academy (since 1947)

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Sep 2, 2008 13:59
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English term

Only for Brits familiar with the British Army

English Other Military / Defense Military studies
Sorry, I tried to post this question in English monolingual, but was unable to.

Here is my question: I've seen that in the UK there's both, Military Academy and Military College (actually, Royal Military Academy and Royal Military College). Which one is the most important? The one a Major General must have attended.

In the US, it is the Academy (West Point). But if I remember correctly, in the UK is the other way around: the most important is the College, isn't it?

Thank you so very much in advance and regards.
Change log

Sep 2, 2008 14:12: cmwilliams (X) changed "Language pair" from "Spanish to English" to "English"

Sep 4, 2008 00:06: mediamatrix (X) Created KOG entry

Discussion

Ricardo Galarza (asker) Sep 3, 2008:
No worries, Margaret It was, actually, I who kind of derailed the original question. Media just tried to help; and I think this time he was behaving pretty gently for his usual "disagree" swinging left and right. In any case, both of you seem to have the correct answer right off the bat: the general attended Military Academy. Thank you both and regards.
margaret caulfield Sep 3, 2008:
I will go no further on this question, Ricardo, for, per usual, when mediamatrix becomes involved, things get totally out of contect. Sorry.
margaret caulfield Sep 3, 2008:
TOTALLY DISAGREE with mediamatrix. My elder brother was in the Intelligence Core of the British Army as a Captain. He took out his university degree at Cambridge University. So, mediamatrix, pls stop feeling so jealous of people!
Jennifer Levey Sep 2, 2008:
.. bother mentioning where they got it. All the more so if it was a 'down-market' university rather than Oxbridge.
Jennifer Levey Sep 2, 2008:
My guess is that there's nothing missing. For UK army oficers who've had long and distinguished careers - army, diplomatic service, business, etc. - their first academic degree tends to be utterly insignificant - to the point they don't even ...
Ricardo Galarza (asker) Sep 2, 2008:
Yeah, Mediamatrix I know. Precisely because of that (Escuela could be both) is that we are here. But thanks for your last reference and comment. They helped a lot. I now realize that there's, at least, one line missing here, and that, as you said or hinted, he might well have attended a college that should be between those two lines. That's going to be clarified by client at any moment. But I think you're right.
margaret caulfield Sep 2, 2008:
Ricardo. TRANQUILO! This happens to us all at some point!
Ricardo Galarza (asker) Sep 2, 2008:
In such a hurry, that I hadn't seen your post I'm really sorry, Marge; I know I messed up the question. I didn't mean to. Don't know what to do about it. Please take my apoligies.
Jennifer Levey Sep 2, 2008:
Last comment: have you tried Googling him by name to pull his biography out from the UK military or other records?
Jennifer Levey Sep 2, 2008:
OK - now it's much clearer. The text does NOT say, or even imply, that he got his degree at the Military 'Escuela'. And 'Escuela could be the 'College' (if he is old enough to have attended pre-1947) OR the Academy (after 1947).
Ricardo Galarza (asker) Sep 2, 2008:
Thank you all! Difficult to misread, but here it goes:

Under the subhead "EDUCATION", it reads (among other things):

Licenciatura en Ciencias
Real Escuela Militar, Reino Unido, 19XX.
Jennifer Levey Sep 2, 2008:
Hear hear! - References to a 'Defence Academy' just add confusion. It would also be helpful to see the original source text - which you may be mis-reading entirely (e.g. depending on how it's punctuated).
margaret caulfield Sep 2, 2008:
Ricardo, you have changed your original question quite a bit! Initially you only wanted to know which was most important in the UK, Academy or College. I think you should stop and think before you post a question!
Ricardo Galarza (asker) Sep 2, 2008:
Colleges within the Academy? Thank you very much, Jack. The information I was able to gather on this is very confusing, when not contradictory. Some seem to suggest that there're military colleges which apparently are part of the Defence Academy, like the Royal Military College of Science (RMCS), the one you mention and others - including, citing the existence of the RMCS up to 2004. Others would have it that the RMCS became de Defence College of Management and Technology in 1946 and, as well, that it is now part of the Defence Academy. I'm pretty confused at this point.

Just one question: if all these colleges are part of the Academy, does that mean that the colleges also issue academic degrees (like Bachelors and Masters) and that the Academy just gives you the Commission as Army Officer?

That's exactly my dilemma, 'cause this guy (a British retired Army General) attended a military institution (whichever it is) in the UK, from which he holds an academic degree of some sort, that he put in Spanish as what in English would be a Bachelor of Science. I just don't put what he wrote in Spanish not to create even more confusion. But that's why I ask. Do one get a BS from the Military Academy in England or from the Military College?

Many thanks again, and sorry for the drag.
Jack Doughty Sep 2, 2008:
There is also the Royal Military Staff College at Camberley, which might well have been attended by a Major-General.

Responses

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The Royal Military College no longer exists in the UK

The former Royal Military College was reorganized and re-named as the Royal Military Academy in 1947.

See here: http://www.philipjohnston.com/rmas/history.htm

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Asker's Major-General will have attended either the College or the Academy, depending on the relevant dates.

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FWIW, the Royal Military Academy (UK) is not a university and does not award degrees. The vast majority of its intake already have a degree from some other academic instutition before they enter the RMA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Military_Academy_Sandhurs...

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Bear in mind that 'escuela' is a loose translation for both College and Academy (used in the UK sense, where a 'college' is a higher-education institution of some kind).
Peer comment(s):

agree BdiL : Good counselling earns good grades! Maurizio
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you for all your help! Thanks to you too, Margaret. Both were right, but Media's answer was first. Regards!"
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I blieve the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst is the most important!

I think!
Peer comment(s):

agree Jack Dunwell : Sine qua non Margaret. I was more on the Crowthorne side!
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Thanks, fourth!
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