Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

S/S

English answer:

sailing ship

Added to glossary by zmejka
Jun 27, 2009 08:17
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English term

S/S

English Art/Literary Ships, Sailing, Maritime
I've already posted this to the English-Russian pair, but we seem to be stuck, so I thought I'd consult with you.

I have an S/S "La Ventura" in my text, and I can't decide whether it's a sailing ship, a steam ship, a single screw brigantine or what.

Here are some phrases where the ship is mentioned; they all seem to point to "sailing ship", but the events in the book are taking place ten years ago from nowadays, so I thought that a sailing ship is unlikely; on the other hand, steam ships aren't used much today either if I understand correctly. Please let me know what you think. And thanks!

1) Now keep staring until you see a ship appearing, its three masts raking the sky.
2) She’s so close that you can hear the wind snapping in the thick canvas sails. And now you shield your eyes from the sun, taking in the ship’s majestic lines, her tar-colored hull, and skyscraper masts.
3) If you’re so far away you can only make out the people on deck as little stick figures, the S/S “La Ventura” will seem to you a mirage, a vision from a bygone age. You’ll think you’re still dreaming of clipper ships and buccaneers.
4) Some of the sails are torn, their rigging flapping down the oak sides like whips. The mizzen mast has been secured with extra lines, because it looks like a broken toothpick someone shoved back after using it.
5) The craft draws you near, her beams like crossed spires on a cathedral.
6) You may be closer still, your smaller craft bobbing in the swells produced by the three-masted brigantine.
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Discussion

Mirra_ Jun 28, 2009:
it's not a mistery as long as you consider that language evolution is continuously going on :)<br><br>in the past this acronym meaning was specific and reliable. In the present, "acronyms freedom" is a matter of fact. So if "a bunch" of people agree to use S/S for sailing ship, well, they just do it.<br>Give a look here and you'll find many of examples about it (also including the olf fashioned meaning 'steam ship'; but also tha science-fictional 'star ship'! ;)<br><br>http://www.google.it/search?q=s/s "sailing ship"&hl=en&start... as a specific example (but there are plenty like this)<br>http://www.detourdestinations.com/products/Galapagos_Islands... ;))

Ps. anyway, they correctly define it as a Barquentine.
Demi Ebrite Jun 28, 2009:

SS = steam ship SV= sailing vessel MV=motor vessel.

"Were sail and steam power used together?"

"Yes. Most steamships in the time of Queen Victoria carried sails in case of engine failure and also to get extra power if there were favourable winds"

This is a mystery.
Mirra_ Jun 27, 2009:
"brigantine" is a very "popular" name, both in books and in movies.<br>So, I guess, it is just this that motivated this "little" 3-masts-error.<br>The point is: should you replicate the same error and translate it as it is, i.e. (three masts) brigantine<br>OR<br>should you call it with is real name, i.e. *barquentine*??<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barquentine<br><br>... do not know the answer, I think I would contact the client.<br><br>Anyway as you can see the two names are very similar and it furtherly could explain this mistake.<br><br>For what concerns the present existence of these ships please consider that 1) the name can also be "indicative" and used to describe the general structure 2) both old-fashioned ships are continuously renovated/restored and boats like these are newly constructed even now :)<br><br>ah you could find interesting this too<br>http://www.schoonerunion.org/pages/dictionary.html
writeaway Jun 27, 2009:
more context pointing to sailing ship the S/S “La Ventura” will seem to you a mirage, a vision from a bygone age. You’ll think you’re still dreaming of clipper ships and buccaneers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper
zmejka (asker) Jun 27, 2009:
plus, in the english-russian pair, somebody suggested that steam ships can have sails too.
zmejka (asker) Jun 27, 2009:
writeaway, these hints are exactly what confuses me. it just doesn't make sense to me: why would the author describe an old-fashioned brigantine without ever explaining it? nothing else in the text is old-fashioned. it's a ship on a journey, with a crew and all, not a disneyland type of thing. perhaps i'm too ignorant: do brigantines still exist as regular vessels?
writeaway Jun 27, 2009:
Hints in the text three masts raking the sky. wind snapping in the thick canvas sails.
skyscraper masts. clipper ships and buccaneers. Some of the sails are torn

Responses

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sailing ship

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_ship

Even considering that the events in the book are ten years ago, reading through 1) to 6) makes me believe that it is definitely a sailing ship (vessel). Keywords: three masts, a vision from a bygone age, sails are torn.
Please refer to the link above.
Peer comment(s):

agree Stanislaw Czech, MCIL CL
1 hr
Thank you Stanislaw
agree Marianna Tucci
2 hrs
Thank you Marianna
agree Mirra_ : of course... ;))
3 hrs
Thank you Mirra_
agree Jack Dunwell : Clearly as "romantic" as Coleridge the essence of the vision is salt on canvas
1 day 9 hrs
Thank you fourth
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "even if it's against the dictionaries, the description points to the first "S" standing for "sailing", not "steam". thanks for your help and for the discussion, everyone! "
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steam ship

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_SS_on_Navy_Ships_stand_f...

SS is short for Steam Ship and used on civilian ships. NS would be Nuclear Ship and there was at least one civilian nuclear powered vessel.

A lot of the early sail ships also had steam engines to assist, esp in the 1800's, It carried over from this that going into the 1900's they were still called steam ships as they were coal fired, later after WWII Diesel / oil became the preferred choice of power.

Example:

SS Mississippi, SS George Washington. are steam ships and have the prefix SS.

http://atlantictransportline.us/images/11big.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/SS_George...
The SS George Washington was a captured German Passenger liner

http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&ch...

This is a tug boat which is clearly a steam ship, as most of them were as they had the best horse power at the time to move the bigger boats around the harbor.
http://www.anniemayhem.com/blog pics/SS_Hurricane_Camille_1....

Here is the SS great Britain
http://www.datareservoir.co.uk/ss_gb1.jpg
A sail and steam ship

And through this picture diary you can get all the definitions.

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.boblero...


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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2009-06-28 09:40:01 GMT)
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http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm Part B... there is also a part A
Peer comment(s):

disagree Mirra_ : yes of course, this is how they WERE called. Now, many people - like in this 3-masted case - uses S/S for sailing ship because in their ignorance of the past SS stands just for 'sailing ship'. Even a rapid tour on the web can help you to understand it.
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They may have started calling it SS as sailing ship, But when all the different forms of ship came in they would have had to change and use correct coding. The SS Mississippi has no sails, and the SS/SSN for submarine, become a sailing ship?
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Wiki

The reference below gives historical info and a list of ships' name prefixes, according to which "S/S" should definitely stand for "steamship". However, if the ship in question is clearly not a steamship, then I'd just avoid the issue by simply giving the name as is or omitting "S/S", i.e. assume that it is a mistake in the original and that they used the prefix in a misguided attempt to sound more authentic and nautical.
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Reference:

In sailing, a brigantine is a vessel with two masts, only the forward of which is square rigged.

Originally the brigantine was a small ship carrying both oars and sails. It was a favorite of Mediterranean pirates and its name comes from the Italian word "brigantino" which meant brigand's ship.[1] In modern parlance, a brigantine is a principally fore-and-aft rig with a square rigged foremast, as opposed to a brig which is square rigged on both masts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigantine

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-06-27 09:30:10 GMT)
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the source text says it's 3 masted brigantine. This does help prove they are talking about a sailing ship and not a steam ship.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-06-27 12:21:17 GMT)
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http://www.shipyard.co.za/index.php?comp=product&op=view&id=... Here we have a picture of a steamship with sails. Am so glad I prefer motorboats.
Note from asker:
yeah, i read the wikipedia entry, but this vessel has three masts, which also confused me
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