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Against the Gods - Against the Odds

French translation: Les dieux sont tombés...pile

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English term or phrase:Against the Gods - Against the Odds
French translation:Les dieux sont tombés...pile
Entered by: Andreea Vintila

10:25 Jul 28, 2005
English to French translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
English term or phrase: Against the Gods - Against the Odds
"Against the Gods" est le titre d'un livre sur l'histoire du risque. Le jeu de mots (avec "against the odds") se réfère au fait que l'invention des probabilités (et avec elles, la possibilité de quantifier le risque) n'a été possible qu'une fois que les êtres humains se sont libérés de la tutelle de l'Eglise (Renaissance, humanisme, etc.).

La traduction française publiée est "Plus forts que les Dieux" - mais là, si on garde le sens de l'émancipation,je crois qu'on perd la réf à la notion de "odds"... Le titre de la traduction française sera bien entendu cité, cependant je voudrais utiliser, dans la traduction de mon papier, le double sens de la métaphore. Avez-vous des solutions créatives pour surprendre les deux sens?... Le papier s'adresse à des universitaires (France), très sensibles à la nuance... Vivement merci pour votre aide précieuse.
Andreea Vintila
Local time: 02:30
Les dieux sont tombés...pile
Explanation:
Une idée comme ça ;)
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Robert Morin
Canada
Local time: 20:30
Grading comment
Merci Robert
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2Les dieux sont tombés...pile
Robert Morin
3 +1Les dieux du hasard
Laure Delpech
3 +1Ni dieux, ni hasard
PFB (X)
3 +1Les chances de la Providence
alx
1 -1contre les dieux - contre les bizarreries
Ion Chiru


Discussion entries: 1





  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
against the gods - against the odds
Les dieux du hasard


Explanation:
Pour garder le jeu de mots

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Note added at 4 mins (2005-07-28 10:29:25 GMT)
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Ou bien \"Les dieux du probable et de l\'improbable\"
(pas de majuscule à \"dieux\")

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Note added at 7 mins (2005-07-28 10:32:41 GMT)
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Le défi probable lancé aux dieux (pour garder la notion d\'émancipation)

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Note added at 15 mins (2005-07-28 10:40:02 GMT)
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Correction: Le défi du probable lancé aux dieux

Laure Delpech
France
Local time: 02:30
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Ion Chiru: Incomplete
44 mins
  -> Avez-vous vu que j'ai proposé 2 autres suggestions ? Sont-elles toutes incomplètes d'après vous ? Si oui pourquoi et que suggérez-vous ?
agree  Jean-Claude Gouin: J'aime bien vos suggestions.
1 hr
  -> merci
agree  Merline
1 hr
  -> merci
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5 peer agreement (net): -1
against the gods - against the odds
contre les dieux - contre les bizarreries


Explanation:
This is my idea. I hope it will be useful to you.

Ion Chiru
Local time: 03:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  alx: odds n'a pas du tot ce sens ici!
6 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
against the gods - against the odds
Ni dieux, ni hasard


Explanation:
Possibilité?

PFB (X)
Local time: 02:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 10

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Merline
19 mins
  -> merci
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
against the gods - against the odds
Les chances de la Providence


Explanation:
Qui dit mieux?

alx
Local time: 01:30
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  sktrans: La chance sans la providence
15 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
against the gods - against the odds
Les dieux sont tombés...pile


Explanation:
Une idée comme ça ;)

Robert Morin
Canada
Local time: 20:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Merci Robert

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Laure Delpech: chapeau ! c'est excellent
22 hrs
  -> Merci!
agree  Najib Aloui: Très bonne proposition. Pour peut-être élargir le choix, en voici une autre: Dieux et dés apprivoisés.
276 days
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