Kunstwissenschaftler

English translation: aesthetician / art theorist

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German term or phrase:Kunstwissenschaftler
English translation:aesthetician / art theorist
Entered by: Helen Shiner

15:38 Feb 24, 2009
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
German term or phrase: Kunstwissenschaftler
Someone who studies aesthtics or theory of art is a what in English?

The term is used on a Swiss/German website to describe an academic qualification ("lic. phil. I Kunstwissenschaftlerin").
sinolig
Switzerland
Local time: 20:30
aesthetician / art theorist
Explanation:
They would be my preferences

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Another alternative would be 'art scholar' - some art historians (I am one) might also call themselves this if their prime focus was on theory rather than art practices/technologies.

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Esteemed art theorist Michael Fried at the BYU MOA

A scholar of broad interests and expertise, Dr. Fried is the author of books about 18th- and 19th-century painting and literature, a collection of criticism of contemporary art, and several volumes of poetry. Fried is currently the J.R. Herbert Boone Professor of Humanities and Art History at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.

Fried will speak about the origins and development of Modernism in his lecture at the BYU Museum of Art. Fried was intensely involved in viewing and writing criticism of Modernist art, publishing criticism from 1962 to 1977. His seminal 1967 essay “Art and Objecthood” is among the most important works of art criticism on 20th century art.

http://community.kutv.com/forums/thread/3559649.aspx



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http://www.whatuni.com/degrees/courses/degree-courses/art-th...

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History & Philosophy of Art
Apply online
[1]Department website
[2]Staff profiles
[3]History & Philosophy of Art at Kent provides opportunities for graduate study with well-established scholars and practitioners in the fields of art history, aesthetics and fine art.

Staff research covers contemporary aesthetics and the history of art theory, the photograph (in its historical, contemporary, and critical contexts), and the historical interplay of image, theory and institutions from the Renaissance to the present (especially European and American).
http://www.kent.ac.uk/studying/postgrad/courses/histart.html

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And some people prefer 'art theoretician':
http://books.google.com/books?id=gsy7RPJKI8MC&pg=PA440&lpg=P...

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My preference for your context would be 'art theorist'.

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http://voyager.uvm.edu/bibs/bid1682922.html

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Interestingly, the Schweizerisches Institut für Kunstwissenschaft translates itself as Swiss Institute for Art Research, although they make it clear that one of the elements of their research is art history, as well as visual theory and all the other hip variants in the field.

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This might help you finally:

AESTHETICS AND PHILOSOPHY IN AMERICAN COLLEGES 185 agree to call the field "philosophy of art," or ('science of art," or "art theory," or Kunstwissenschaft,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9590691/T-Munro-Aesthetics-and-Phi...

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Not sure about that, but it will depend on context. Thanks for the points, sinolig
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Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:30
Grading comment
Thanks. I suspect that this is one of those untranslatables though ...
3 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +7aesthetician / art theorist
Helen Shiner
4 +2Art Historian
Johanna Timm, PhD
3 +2scholar of art
Derek Gill Franßen
4art expert
Charles Rothwell (X)
4art historian
Beth Jones
4aesthetician or art historian
Bruce Sanchez
Summary of reference entries provided
Ästhetiker
Ellen Kraus

Discussion entries: 13





  

Answers


38 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
art expert


Explanation:
Someone with a high/specialised knowledge of art (for example gained through academic studies).

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http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Jakob_Friedländer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Jakob_Friedländer

Example sentence(s):
  • Max Jakob Friedländer (July 5, 1867, Berlin – October 11, 1958, Amsterdam) was a German art expert (Kunstwissenschaftler) and art historian (Kunsthistoriker).

    Reference: http://eng.archinform.net/arch/59026.htm
Charles Rothwell (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:30
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: I do think that this is a rather loose translation and would not be the title of a degree.
16 mins

neutral  Jim Tucker (X): This is not an academic title or field and would not work in the asker's context.
47 mins

neutral  Stephen Reader: Would agree if context is NOT specifically visual art and the statement of qualification not formal.
10 hrs
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44 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
scholar of art


Explanation:
A "Wissenschaftler" is referred to as a "scholar" in the arts (to which art belongs).

Also see http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q="scholar of art" univers...

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Also see Dietl/Lorenz (5th edition), which suggests the following:

"Wissenschaftler scholar; (Naturwissenschaftler) scientist."

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To make my stance completely clear: I can see how Helen arrives at "art theorist" (considering the asker's own description), but the words themselves don't necessarily give that away.

Helen's (well-explained) description of how certain "Kunstwissenschaftler," the "Kunsttheoretiker" do not want to be lumped together with "Kunsthistoriker" makes my point rather succinctly, in my opinion. Since, apparently, "Kunstwissenschaftler" includes both those who would be called "Kunsthistoriker" and those who would be called "Kunsttheoretiker."

If there is reason to think that this person wants to have nothing to do with the Kunstwissenschaftler who consider themselves Kunsthistoriker, then Helen's suggestion would be the obvious choice.

Otherwise, I would tend to go with the more general term (as indicated by the words themselves); and a good choice for that might be "scholar."

Derek Gill Franßen
Germany
Local time: 20:30
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Helen Shiner: For me as an art historian, 'art scholar' does sound a little pompous and I don't think it would be used as the title of a degree: art scholarship./No, sorry, it is art theory, fine arts being 'bildendene Künste'.
9 mins
  -> Pompous sounding or not, "scholar" is the generally accepted translation of "Wissenschaftler" (which I have trouble believing is included); "Kunstwissenschaft" is "fine arts," but he is no "fine artist." // Either way, I still think "scholar" is fine. ;)

agree  casper (X): Yes - the right term to describe "someone who studies aesthetics or theory of art" [quoted from asker's description of the term]
23 mins
  -> Thank you, Casper. :)

neutral  Jim Tucker (X): Indeed , but the asker specified at the outset what he wanted to express - something more precise than "art scholar."
44 mins
  -> I think "scholar" is more broad and includes "historians." // That could be, and I did notice (see my added note). But I stand by my suggestion here, since the differentiation seems to be inofficial rather than official (as the words themselves suggest).

agree  Lancashireman: If you say this is OK for Oklahoma, that's good enough for me ;-) // Hi again, Derek. I sometimes wonder if AE fossilised round about the time of the Pilgrim Fathers. Otherwise, why would ‘doctors’ still be referred to as ‘physicians’ in the US?
3 hrs
  -> lol! I definitely do think this would be ok in OK. ;-D // Why fix it, if it ain't broke? ;)

neutral  Lirka: with Helen
17 hrs
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Kunstwissenschaftler (Schweiz)
Art Historian


Explanation:
Nach Angaben des Fragers handelt sich um eine in der Schweiz absolvierte Ausbildung zum „Kunstwissenschaftler“. In der Schweiz kann man an 7 Unis Kunst studieren: in Genf, Bern, Basel, Zűrich, Lausanne, Freiburg und Neuchatel. Die Lehrpläne dieser Unis
enthalten detaillierte Infos zu den Abschlűssen und Titeln, z.B. Bern:
“Studiengang: Bachelor of Arts in Art History (BA), Master of Arts in Art History (MA), Lizentiat (lic. phil.), Doktorat (Dr. phil.) Master of Art in Art History (MA) mit zwei Mono-Masterprogrammen „Kunstgeschichte mit Ausstellungs- und Museumswesen“ und „Kunstgeschichte mit Denkmalpflege und Monumentenmanagement“
Ausfűhrlichere Darstellung hier:
http://www.ikg.unibe.ch/index.php?nid=26

Ein Vergleich der einzelnen schweizer Lehrpläne zeigt, dass Kunstwissenschaft in den schweizer Quellen durchweg synomym mit Kunstgeschichte/Art History verwendet wird, also Kunstwissenschaftler (Schweiz)=Kunsthistoriker= Art Historian.

In Deutschland dagegen gibt es einen separaten und klar definierten Studiengang „Kunstwissenschaft“ ( mit Medienwissenschaft, Kunstpädagogik) u.a. in Berlin, Bremen und Karlsruhe, der dementsprechend anders übersetzt werden műsste.


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html codes don't seem to work here - sorry, I should have used old-fashioned**:-(

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 11:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 79

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Beth Jones: A historian is an expert-scholar-specialist in her/his field -- if it's art, they know all about the esthetics/details of say, the Ming Dynasty or the Impressionist painters.
5 mins
  -> right ;)

agree  Hildegard Klein-Bodenheimer (X): Quite a lively discussion! But it is less about our preferences and more about the origin of the text - Localization is key.
23 mins
  -> yup, especially in educational contexts

agree  Stephen Reader: Illuminating! In dem Fall deckt ja die CH-Praxis nach wie vor alles ab ("trotz" Beths Eingabe hier), was nicht die Ausübung der bildenden Ku. selber ist. Will d. Betroffene ihr Wissensgebiet im Engl. näher einkreisen, ging's auch im Weiteren. Grüße!
3 hrs
  -> Grüße zurück übern Teich... bis an den Rhein :-)

disagree  Helen Shiner: No, I really think that this person is seeking to distinguish him/herself from art history in the way I have explained./I know, but the terminology of the discipline is not different there./I'm also aware of that; my point was about the term's translation
8 hrs
  -> lic.phil. is a *Swiss* degree, and based on *Swiss* sources, Kunstwissenschaft in *Switzerland* is syn. with Kunstgeschichte//SIK is an *Institut* - it does not confer degrees
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
art historian


Explanation:
This is a LOT easier (but a less literal translation) than people are making it, IMO.
A Wissenschaftler is a kind of scholar or scientist,
and many universities offer entire majors in art history, in which they study the styles and aethetics of artists throughout the ages.

E.g. Google gets 163 mill. hits for "art history", including:

Art history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
16 Feb 2009 ... This article is about the academic discipline of art history. For an overview of the history of art worldwide, see History of art. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_historian

See what you think for your context...
Hope this helps,
Beth in Salzburg

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OOps!
Sorry Johanna!
I agree with you!
BJ

Beth Jones
Austria
Local time: 20:30
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: bingo;)
13 mins

disagree  Helen Shiner: As I say elsewhere, I believe this person is seeking to distinguish themselves from art history - many of my colleagues do so.
8 hrs
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
aesthetician or art historian


Explanation:
the Duden Oxford German dictionary (electronic version) gives "kunstwissenshaft" as aesthetics and art history. Muret-Sanders Legend (1902) also gives "science of art" as well as aesthetics.

Bruce Sanchez
Local time: 11:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +7
Kunstwissenschaftler / Kunstwissenschaftlerin
aesthetician / art theorist


Explanation:
They would be my preferences

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Another alternative would be 'art scholar' - some art historians (I am one) might also call themselves this if their prime focus was on theory rather than art practices/technologies.

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Esteemed art theorist Michael Fried at the BYU MOA

A scholar of broad interests and expertise, Dr. Fried is the author of books about 18th- and 19th-century painting and literature, a collection of criticism of contemporary art, and several volumes of poetry. Fried is currently the J.R. Herbert Boone Professor of Humanities and Art History at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.

Fried will speak about the origins and development of Modernism in his lecture at the BYU Museum of Art. Fried was intensely involved in viewing and writing criticism of Modernist art, publishing criticism from 1962 to 1977. His seminal 1967 essay “Art and Objecthood” is among the most important works of art criticism on 20th century art.

http://community.kutv.com/forums/thread/3559649.aspx



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http://www.whatuni.com/degrees/courses/degree-courses/art-th...

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History & Philosophy of Art
Apply online
[1]Department website
[2]Staff profiles
[3]History & Philosophy of Art at Kent provides opportunities for graduate study with well-established scholars and practitioners in the fields of art history, aesthetics and fine art.

Staff research covers contemporary aesthetics and the history of art theory, the photograph (in its historical, contemporary, and critical contexts), and the historical interplay of image, theory and institutions from the Renaissance to the present (especially European and American).
http://www.kent.ac.uk/studying/postgrad/courses/histart.html

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And some people prefer 'art theoretician':
http://books.google.com/books?id=gsy7RPJKI8MC&pg=PA440&lpg=P...

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My preference for your context would be 'art theorist'.

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http://voyager.uvm.edu/bibs/bid1682922.html

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Interestingly, the Schweizerisches Institut für Kunstwissenschaft translates itself as Swiss Institute for Art Research, although they make it clear that one of the elements of their research is art history, as well as visual theory and all the other hip variants in the field.

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This might help you finally:

AESTHETICS AND PHILOSOPHY IN AMERICAN COLLEGES 185 agree to call the field "philosophy of art," or ('science of art," or "art theory," or Kunstwissenschaft,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9590691/T-Munro-Aesthetics-and-Phi...

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Not sure about that, but it will depend on context. Thanks for the points, sinolig

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 34
Grading comment
Thanks. I suspect that this is one of those untranslatables though ...

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Inge Meinzer: I prefer art theorist. IMHO, aesthetician might lead to possible confusion :-)
9 mins
  -> If it refers specifically to a course, I agree, it is more likely to be 'art theory', but generally people study art history or visual culture in the UK/US and then specialise in their subsequent careers.

agree  Ellen Kraus: contrary to my initial reaction, I find the term aesthetician ok. I´ll post a contribution under reference which backs this term.
41 mins
  -> Thank you, Ellen

agree  Derek Gill Franßen: Ah, I see that you already mentioned "art scholar," but you decided against it for some reason--well, I am for it, as I do not think it carries the limitations in meaning you mentioned. ;)
45 mins
  -> Thank you, Derek

agree  casper (X): art scholar // IMO the right term to describe "someone who studies aesthetics or theory of art" [quoted from asker's description of the term]
57 mins
  -> Thanks, casper - in general terms this would be ok, but I really must say that this should be translated as 'art theorist' in this case - see my discussion comments./I would never describe myself in that way professionally.

agree  Lancashireman: With 'theorist' rather than the more medieval English (or perhaps modern American?) term 'scholar' suggested elsewhere on this page. / Surprised to see 2 commentators revive the ‘art historian’ cop-out after you had so convincingly discounted that option.
2 hrs
  -> Thanks, Andrew - it is a rare undergraduate whom one could call a scholar./Maybe my latest posting will help - she says wearily.

agree  Stephen Reader: Hi, Helen. With theorist. Scholar in mid-sentence 'a Renaiss. sch.' as 'an expert on', apart from the scholar active in the Ren.)
10 hrs
  -> Thank you, Stephen - eminent scholar might be another such application.

agree  Lirka: If you are one yourself, who would know better than you?
18 hrs
  -> Thanks, lirka!
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Reference comments


41 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Ästhetiker

Reference information:
hier ist er, der avisierte Beitrag:
Johann Erichson (Ästhetiker) – Wikipedia28. Dez. 2008 ... NAME, Erichson, Johann. KURZBESCHREIBUNG, deutscher Theologe und Professor der Ästhetik. GEBURTSDATUM, September 1777. GEBURTSORT, Stralsund ...
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Erichson_(Ästhetiker) - 22k

Dummerweise versteht man unter dieser Berufsbezeichnugn auch einen Kosmetologen trained to handle facial massages in a way to improve your skin´s appearance.

Ellen Kraus
Austria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Helen Shiner: I'm not sure the same confusion exists in EN - certainly not in the UK.
21 mins
neutral  Stephen Reader: Oh je. Vorerst intuitiv & somit open to correction: Ästhetik betrifft bildende Ku., aber auch Musik usw., oder?
10 hrs
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