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English translation: mensal property / mensal lands

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German term or phrase:Mensalgut
English translation:mensal property / mensal lands
Entered by: Steven Blanchard

10:17 Jul 13, 2010
German to English translations [PRO]
Religion
German term or phrase: Mensalgut
'Wirtschaftsbeirat des Erzbischöflichen Mensalgutes'

Taken from a CV.

Thanks for any assistance.
Steven Blanchard
Local time: 01:48
mensal property / mensal lands
Explanation:
Both of these terms appear to be in use:

"Although appropriated to the maintenance of certain defininte persons, mensal property is nevertheless church property, and its administrator is bound to observe the canonical rules concerning it"

"These lands seem to have been the traditional ‘mensal lands’ of the head of the McInerney"
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Debbi Steele
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:48
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Thanks Debbi and thanks also to Gertraud and Elisabeth. I've opted for mensal property.
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Summary of answers provided
3mensal parish
Gertraud K.
3mensal property / mensal lands
Debbi Steele
Summary of reference entries provided
mensal lands and bishop's demesne
Elisabeth Kissel
Fremdwoerterbuch Duden
Gertraud K.

  

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mensal parish


Explanation:
mensal parish [Rel.]
Quellen The Catholic bishops received the revenues of one or two mensal parishes.
Kommentar mensal, so weit ich weiß, ist das irreguläre Adjektiv zu "table";
Sinn macht es schon: Die Bischöfe leben also (u.a) von den Einkünften für sie bestimmter Gemeinden.
Übersetzung Pfründe ?
Quellen http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfründe

Kommentar ich glaube, beim deutschen "Pfründe"wesen schwingen zu viele eigene Konnotationen mit.... scheint ein System zu sein, dass es so wohl nur in Irland gab, auch wenn es den Pfründen
Kommentar There is also the expression Tafelgut which is close to what you want.

Siehe auch: Tafelgut


Unter Tafelgut (Mensa episcopalis) versteht man das Vermögen eines Bischofs.
http://www.kipa-apic.ch/meldungen/sep_show_de.php?id=1469
property

Gertraud K.
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Native speaker of: German
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mensal property / mensal lands


Explanation:
Both of these terms appear to be in use:

"Although appropriated to the maintenance of certain defininte persons, mensal property is nevertheless church property, and its administrator is bound to observe the canonical rules concerning it"

"These lands seem to have been the traditional ‘mensal lands’ of the head of the McInerney"


    Reference: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10194a.htm
    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McInerney
Debbi Steele
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Thanks Debbi and thanks also to Gertraud and Elisabeth. I've opted for mensal property.
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Reference comments


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Reference: mensal lands and bishop's demesne

Reference information:
I found the following and think this might explain what 'Mensalgut' is:
.."Mensal lands of a bishopric appear to be such lands as in former times were considered requisite to the maintenance of the table of the bishop; or, in other words, for the support of the hospitality suitable to his station. As they were usually in the occupation of the bishop, they have been called demesne or mensal lands indiscriminately. "
from "A treatise on the law of landlord and tenant" pg.828
http://books.google.com.au/books

I'm just guessing, but this man might have been involved in some committee which administered the bishop's estate.

Elisabeth Kissel
Australia
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Native speaker of: German

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agree  Steffen Walter: This deserves to be posted as an answer :-)
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  -> thank you, Steffen
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Reference: Fremdwoerterbuch Duden

Reference information:
Mensalgut: Kirchenvermoegen eines katholischen Bischofs

Gertraud K.
Japan
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Native speaker of: German
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