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nous y avons perdu les grondements d’une retentissante colère

15:44 Aug 18, 2021
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters / From An Art History Book
French term or phrase: nous y avons perdu les grondements d’une retentissante colère
Contexte:

Pour une fois Goering ne fut pas le gagnant de cette transaction, ayant été trompé sur l’authenticité du Vermeer. Le plus drôle est qu’il conquit ce tableau de haute lutte ; des amateurs hollandais le lui disputèrent âprement et en offrirent 1 650 000 florins… Ce fut enfin par une fantaisie malicieuse du destin que Goering réussit également à l’emporter sur Hitler. Il ignora toujours la tricherie dont
il avait été victime et nous y avons perdu, ainsi que ses experts, les grondements d’une retentissante colère.
Ce n’était pas la première fois que le Reichsmarschall avait été dupé. Après la vente des tableaux des musées allemands, il avait cru pouvoir s’offrir, avec une partie de l’argent reçu, un énorme rubis monté sur une bague où il voyait un travail de Benvenuto Cellini. Ce n’était hélas ! qu’une imitation.

Merci Beaucoup,

Barbara
Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
Local time: 16:10


Summary of answers provided
3 +1we have missed out on the angry stirrings of an intense anger linked to it
Peter Field
3missed (the signs of) his growing/fuming rage
David Hollywood
3and so we have been deprived of the spectacle of his fuming / growling / rumbling rage
Daryo


Discussion entries: 6





  

Answers


17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
missed (the signs of) his growing/fuming rage


Explanation:
to get the ball rolling

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Note added at 18 mins (2021-08-18 16:03:03 GMT)
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what a nefarious character he was

David Hollywood
Local time: 17:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  ormiston: What about 'simmering rage'?
22 hrs
neutral  AllegroTrans: what about the "y"?
2 days 4 hrs
disagree  Daryo: a hypothetical "growling rage" [that never happened] might work but "growing" makes no sense whatsoever - growing from which starting point??? As in fact Göring never realised he's been scammed there wasn't ANY "beginning of getting enraged".
18 days
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57 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
we have missed out on the angry stirrings of an intense anger linked to it


Explanation:
we have missed out on the angry stirrings of an intense anger linked to it [la tricherie dont il avait été victime]

Peter Field
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:10
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans
2 days 3 hrs
neutral  Jennifer White: two lots of "anger" in the same phrase?
2 days 5 hrs
neutral  Daryo: that's the idea, but also "two lots of "anger" in the same phrase?"
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2 days 1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
and so we have been deprived of the spectacle of his fuming / growling / rumbling rage


Explanation:
incandescent rage ?


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Note added at 2 days 2 hrs (2021-08-20 18:34:13 GMT)
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he didn't spot the scam and so ...

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Note added at 18 days (2021-09-06 11:50:33 GMT)
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special addition for the "devout followers" of the "literal translations only, please" school of translating, some "background information":

this question is one in a series of questions about a text mocking Göring at every turn.

Il ignora toujours la tricherie dont il avait été victime et nous y avons perdu, ainsi que ses experts, les grondements d’une retentissante colère.
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Göring never realised he's been scammed, so (because of that = the "y") we (and the experts) never had the opportunity to watch him fuming/roaring etc in rage IOW we missed on what would have been a really entertaining spectacle.





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Note added at 18 days (2021-09-06 12:06:56 GMT)
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"les grondements" are just an ingredient of this "show that we missed / were deprived of"


Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:10
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 105

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllegroTrans: what about the "y"?
2 hrs
  -> The "y" stands for "in all this story", the "story" being Göring not spotting that he's been scammed.
neutral  Emmanuella: Perdre les grondements et non le spectacle
1 day 16 hrs
  -> wait a second - you are seriously disagreeing because you think that in this case ONLY a literal translation can do?
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