CIUDADANA LICENCIADA

14:05 Sep 5, 2022 

is that this person has a degree, but we don't know for sure that she is a lawyer. She might have an economics degree and have been trained as a court clerk. I personally have no idea whether all court clerks in Mexico are qualified lawyers but fwiw in England and Wales, except in Magistrates' Courts, they are civil servants trained up in court procedure.

And so far, we don't even know for sure whether this actually is the clerk. Yolanda is "guessing" that she is, so we might all be wasting our time.

Yolanda?!!

13:57 Sep 5, 2022 

Totally agree

13:46 Sep 5, 2022 

Adrian, "Honourable Lady Counsel" cannot by used in this context. In all common law jurisdictions, "Honourable" it is a political honourific title conferred on cabinet ministers and certain types of judges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_address_in_the_United...

In the UK, "Lady" is an honourific conferred on the wives of "Lords" and female Supreme Court judges. See same link.

Again in the UK, "counsel" is reserved for barristers. Elsewhere, it can be used more broadly, but is never used as a prefix to a title, and would not be used in any event unless she is a practising litigation lawyer.

13:44 Sep 5, 2022 

Barbara, you disagreed with my suggestion on the basis that "Ms." is "antiquated". With respect, that is plainly not the case at all, and is certainly not the case in the legal world. It is, on the contrary, universally used. "Mrs." is antiquated and is not used in the professional context anymore, certainly not in North America. Ms./Mr./Dr./Prof. are basically the only pre-name titles commonly used in English, and therefore are the pre-name titles we have to choose from to translate "C. Lic.". "Ms." is the appropriate one in this context for all the reasons already discussed.
As I noted below, even if she were a practising lawyer, "attorney" would not be appropriate for several reasons, and in any event is not a pre-name title in English. One cannot refer to "Attorney Firstname Lastname". That is not correct English usage.

22:10 Sep 4, 2022 

...I just checked the title that I went and picked up late last year, after I paid cash for a new car, and the name of the Clerk of Courts for the county I live in, in this case, a male, has no "Mr" before his name. So I highly doubt that if our Clerk of Counts were a woman, "Ms" would appear before her name.

20:29 Sep 4, 2022 

You've disagreed with my proposal on the basis that one never addresses court clerks as "Ms." or "Mr." in the US, but that's just not the case. They are referred to that way, and are in any case not referred to as "attorney", even in the US. Lawyers are referred to as "attorney" in the US, and not elsewhere.

Here is just one example:
https://www.formsofaddress.info/clerk-of-a-court/

How to Address a Clerk of a Lower Court

—-Envelope, official:
—-—-Mr./Ms. (full name)
—-—-Clerk of the (court)
—-—-(Address)

—-—-—-Which looks like:
—-—-—-—-Ms. Lynn C. Horsky
—-—-—-—-Clerk of the Traffic Court
—-—-—-—-321 Lewis Speedway
—-—-—-—-St. Augustine, FL 9876

—-Letter salutation:
—-—-Dear Mr./Ms. (surname):

18:27 Sep 4, 2022 

What do you mean by "the clerk, whoever is helping to facilitate the divorce"? What does the Spanish say?

17:55 Sep 4, 2022 

perfectamente que, en México, lo de C. (Ciudadano o ciudadana) es un mero formalismo que no se traduce y que Licenciado/a es, por extensión (Y mal utilizado), un Licenciado en Derecho, es decir, un abogado.