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beccamoschino iberico

English translation: Iberian (subspecies of) Fan-tailed Warbler/Iberian zitting cisticola

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Italian term or phrase:beccamoschino iberico
English translation:Iberian (subspecies of) Fan-tailed Warbler/Iberian zitting cisticola
Entered by: Umberto Cassano

13:24 Feb 1, 2007
Italian to English translations [PRO]
Zoology
Italian term or phrase: beccamoschino iberico
è abitata da piante come l’erica e il rosmarino, da uccelli come la cinciallegra algerina e il ***beccamoschino iberico***, e da rettili come il colubro sardo.
Umberto Cassano
Italy
Local time: 07:24
Iberian (subspecies of) Fan-tailed Warbler
Explanation:
The text is looking to highlight rare subspecies, and to attract naturalists and birdwatchers to visit. And while "cinciallegra algerina" is fine as a distinguishable type of Blue Tit (looks very different), it perhaps goes rather too far with the concept of a "beccamoschino iberico", which will only be recognisable to the most expert naturalists.
It's the subspecies Cisticola juncidis cisticola (as opposed to the nominate Cisticola juncidis juncidis) and does not appear to have a common or vernacular name (see http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/cgi-bin/query_all/details.pl?...

But Umberto has to get across the idea of the biodiversity of this habitat, so he needs to differentiate it from places like the field on the way to my kids' school where there are two Zitting Cisticolas fighting for supremacy at the moment. Just writing Zitting Cisticola will make readers in the know say "So what?" (a bit like the Mediterranean equivalent of saying there are Blackbirds in your garden!)

Fan-tailed Warbler or Zitting Cisticola? If the text is for attracting tourists, then use Fan-tailed, if for scientists use Zitting Cisticola.

So I would suggest a descriptive term such as "Iberian subspecies of Fan-tailed Warbler" or - if space is an issue - "Iberian Zitting Cisticola"

By the way, it's called a Zitting Cisticola because before and during the breeding season the male flies quite high up into the air (so it's often invisible) and makes a huge ZIT ZIT ZIT ZIT ZIT noise throughout the hours of daylight, repelling all other males that dare come into the vicinity.
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Anthony Green
Italy
Local time: 07:24
Grading comment
It's one of the most informative and thought-provoking answer I've ever read so far in this list. Grazie !
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +1Iberian (subspecies of) Fan-tailed Warbler
Anthony Green
3 +1zitting cisticola
Rachel Fell
2 -1Iberian Chiffchaff
GAR


Discussion entries: 1





  

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46 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Iberian Chiffchaff


Explanation:
hope it helps

cheers

GAR
Local time: 07:24
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Anthony Green: No, that's a "Luì piccolo iberico", a completely different species. It would be terrible if someone went all the way from northern Europe to this island (?) to see a rare Iberian Chiffchaff, just to find it was "only" a subspecies of Fan-tailed Warbler!
18 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
zitting cisticola


Explanation:
think it's this:


The Zitting Cisticola, Cisticola juncidis, is an Old World warbler in the genus Cisticola. This genus is sometimes split off with various other southern warbler genera and given family status as the Cisticolidae. This species was previously known as Fan-tailed Warbler , but the current name gives consistency with the many tropical cisticola species.

It has a very wide breeding range including southern Europe, Africa outside the deserts and rainforest, and southern Asia down to northern Australia. It is mainly resident, but some east Asian populations migrate south to winter in warmer areas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zitting_Cisticola

http://ebn.unige.ch/ebn/paleo/pale67.html

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Note added at 3 hrs (2007-02-01 16:40:42 GMT)
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or fan-tailed warbler
Zitting Cisticola ______ BU SP TU (has also been called Fan-tailed Warbler)
Cisticola j. juncidis (except SP)
Cisticola juncidis cisticola (SP)


http://www.focusonnature.com/BirdListEurope.htm

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Note added at 3 hrs (2007-02-01 16:42:23 GMT)
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nice pic.
http://www.oiseaux.net/photos/gilbert.blaising/cisticole.des...

Rachel Fell
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:24
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ivana UK
2 hrs
  -> Thank you Ivana!
neutral  Anthony Green: It's partly right - the beccamoschino (two of which I heard going ZIT today) is a "Zitting Cisticola" in the new nomenclature, but a Fan-tailed Warbler to most naturalists. But Umberto is looking for the Iberian subspecies, Cisticola juncidis cisticola
15 hrs
  -> nice that you can hear them!
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19 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Iberian (subspecies of) Fan-tailed Warbler


Explanation:
The text is looking to highlight rare subspecies, and to attract naturalists and birdwatchers to visit. And while "cinciallegra algerina" is fine as a distinguishable type of Blue Tit (looks very different), it perhaps goes rather too far with the concept of a "beccamoschino iberico", which will only be recognisable to the most expert naturalists.
It's the subspecies Cisticola juncidis cisticola (as opposed to the nominate Cisticola juncidis juncidis) and does not appear to have a common or vernacular name (see http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/cgi-bin/query_all/details.pl?...

But Umberto has to get across the idea of the biodiversity of this habitat, so he needs to differentiate it from places like the field on the way to my kids' school where there are two Zitting Cisticolas fighting for supremacy at the moment. Just writing Zitting Cisticola will make readers in the know say "So what?" (a bit like the Mediterranean equivalent of saying there are Blackbirds in your garden!)

Fan-tailed Warbler or Zitting Cisticola? If the text is for attracting tourists, then use Fan-tailed, if for scientists use Zitting Cisticola.

So I would suggest a descriptive term such as "Iberian subspecies of Fan-tailed Warbler" or - if space is an issue - "Iberian Zitting Cisticola"

By the way, it's called a Zitting Cisticola because before and during the breeding season the male flies quite high up into the air (so it's often invisible) and makes a huge ZIT ZIT ZIT ZIT ZIT noise throughout the hours of daylight, repelling all other males that dare come into the vicinity.


    Reference: http://www.biologie.uni-ulm.de/cgi-bin/query_all/details.pl?...
Anthony Green
Italy
Local time: 07:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 20
Grading comment
It's one of the most informative and thought-provoking answer I've ever read so far in this list. Grazie !

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Rachel Fell: yes, I had an idea that's what was meant, a subsp., but didn't get a chance to find out more on it
40 mins
  -> thanks Rachel - yes, hearing natural sounds adds an extra dimension to the day, especially when you come to realise the desperate life-or-death struggle the sound is based on!
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