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clearwater
China
Local time: 05:37
English to Chinese
Like big data, socialstructing brings dangers as well as opportunities. The greatest danger, the author of The Nature of the Future argues, may be new boundaries between those who are economically and educationally equipped to take advantage of socialstructed institutions and those who are not. Any changes in the way people organize social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value are unpredictable, but it can be forecast with certainty that some people will ... See more Like big data, socialstructing brings dangers as well as opportunities. The greatest danger, the author of The Nature of the Future argues, may be new boundaries between those who are economically and educationally equipped to take advantage of socialstructed institutions and those who are not. Any changes in the way people organize social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value are unpredictable, but it can be forecast with certainty that some people will always take advantage of any imbalances revealed by new technologies to further their own interests at others’ expense. I’m with Gorbis when she writes, “If we are not careful, the new curve may also bring with it new disparities. What direction this nascent curve takes is up to us. We are not passive bystanders in the unfolding of the future; we have some responsibility for and agency in shaping the kind of future we want to live in.”
Any changes in the way people organize social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value are unpredictable,
试译：人们组织社会联系、政治制度、传统工作模式和价值衡量标准的方式出现的任何变化不可预知
请问organize只搭配social ties？还是像试译的那样，统一搭配 social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value？
organize与social ties搭配还好理解，但是organize与后面的political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value搭配的话，中文显得很别扭。
毕竟，很少说“组织政治制度”、“组织传统工作模式”和“组织价值衡量标准”的。
[Edited at 2013-12-17 10:33 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | Lily Bian
China
Local time: 05:37
English to Chinese
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Any changes in the way people organize social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value are unpredictable,
人们在构建社会纽带,政治法律,传统工作模式以及各种价值衡量准则的方式上所发生的一切改变，都将是无法预测的。
[Edited at 2013-12-17 08:26 GMT]
| | | | clearwater
China
Local time: 05:37
English to Chinese
TOPIC STARTER
Achates wrote:
Any changes in the way people organize social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value are unpredictable,
人们在构建社会纽带,政治法律,传统工作模式以及各种价值衡量准则的方式上所发生的一切改变，都将是无法预测的。
[Edited at 2013-12-17 08:26 GMT]
将organize处理成“构建”觉得有点演绎过头了。
| | | | wherestip 
United States
Local time: 16:37
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| My opinion on how to parse the sentence | Dec 17, 2013 |
clearwater wrote:
请问organize只搭配social ties？还是像试译的那样，统一搭配 social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value？
I would say organize only refers to social ties.
"The way people organize social ties" is a unit. Put another way, any changes in political institutions, established work patterns, measures of value, and the way people organize social ties are unpredictable.
[Edited at 2013-12-17 16:05 GMT]
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ricky liu
China
Local time: 05:37
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| organize 只和 social ties 搭配 | Dec 17, 2013 |
要理解这句话首先要知道 Socialstructing 是什么意思。这还是个新词：
Socialstructing, defined as the movement to bring the social back into our economy and our institutions.
其实就是我们平常说的人际关系，不以金钱去交易，而是以良好的人际关系去获得商品或者服务。它需要将人际关系重新引入到当今以资本推动的经济中。所以必然会给现存的人际关系，工作方式等带来冲击。
人们建立社会关系的方式、政治制度、已有的工作模式和价值衡量标准等方面会出现何种变化，一切仍未可知。
| | | | clearwater
China
Local time: 05:37
English to Chinese
TOPIC STARTER
wherestip wrote: clearwater wrote:
请问organize只搭配social ties？还是像试译的那样，统一搭配 social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value？
I would say organize only refers to social ties. "The way people organize social ties" is a unit. Put another way, any changes in political institutions, established work patterns, measures of value, and the way people organize social ties are unpredictable. [Edited at 2013-12-17 16:05 GMT]
谢谢Steven！
现在看明白句子结构了。
| | | | clearwater
China
Local time: 05:37
English to Chinese
TOPIC STARTER
ricky liu wrote:
要理解这句话首先要知道 Socialstructing 是什么意思。这还是个新词：
Socialstructing, defined as the movement to bring the social back into our economy and our institutions.
其实就是我们平常说的人际关系，不以金钱去交易，而是以良好的人际关系去获得商品或者服务。它需要将人际关系重新引入到当今以资本推动的经济中。所以必然会给现存的人际关系，工作方式等带来冲击。
人们建立社会关系的方式、政治制度、已有的工作模式和价值衡量标准等方面会出现何种变化，一切仍未可知。
谢谢ricky！
您的译文通顺多了！
| | | | Lily Bian
China
Local time: 05:37
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Achates wrote:
Any changes in the way people organize social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value are unpredictable,
人们在构建社会纽带,政治法律,传统工作模式以及各种价值衡量准则的方式上所发生的一切改变，都将是无法预测的。
[Edited at 2013-12-17 08:26 GMT]
这句话的主干是：Any changes are unpredictable 所有变革都是无法预测的
in the way people organize social ties, political institutions, established work patterns, and measures of value 这一部分是定语
关键是，这个定语该如何处理？organize这个单词本身有很多含义,见字典: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/organize
或许作者省掉了一个介词in？
Any changes in the way people organize social ties, （in）political institutions, （in）established work patterns, and measures of value are unpredictable
[Edited at 2013-12-18 01:26 GMT]
[Edited at 2013-12-18 01:49 GMT]
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