Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
au détriment de leurs évêques
English translation:
against the interests of their bishops
Added to glossary by
Elena Robert
Mar 9, 2006 16:22
18 yrs ago
French term
France
Style et précision.
Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia)
Works in: English to Russian, French to Russian, Russian to French, and 1 more.
au détriment de leurs évêques
Non-PRO
French to English
Art/Literary
History
French Revolution
Dans le clergé, les curés réformateurs dominent, ***au détriment de leurs évêques***.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +3 | against the interests of their bishops |
Christopher Crockett
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| 4 +8 | to the detriment of their Bishops |
Nicky Over
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| 3 | In the church, progressive clergy outnumbered the bishops |
Bailatjones
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Proposed translations
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8 mins
Christopher Crockett
Native in English
Specializes in field
M.A., Ph.D. Historian/Art Historian
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, English
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against the interests of their bishops
The local (parish) clergy were dominated by "reformers" who acted against the interests of their bishops.
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Note added at 14 mins (2006-03-09 16:37:12 GMT)
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Or (taking a bit of Nancy's answer) "the local (parish --curés) clergy was dominated by those who favored reform, against the interests of the episcopal establishment."
"Les curés" is best translated as "parish priests", I believe.
These would have been the priests closest to the people, so their recognition of the seriousness of the pre-1789 situation would have led them to be champions of some sort of "reform" (though not necessarily Revolutionaries, by any stretch of the imagination).
The Bishops, as Princes of the Church, were too busy eating cake at the King's table to be concerned with such mundane matters.
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Note added at 14 mins (2006-03-09 16:37:12 GMT)
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Or (taking a bit of Nancy's answer) "the local (parish --curés) clergy was dominated by those who favored reform, against the interests of the episcopal establishment."
"Les curés" is best translated as "parish priests", I believe.
These would have been the priests closest to the people, so their recognition of the seriousness of the pre-1789 situation would have led them to be champions of some sort of "reform" (though not necessarily Revolutionaries, by any stretch of the imagination).
The Bishops, as Princes of the Church, were too busy eating cake at the King's table to be concerned with such mundane matters.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks to all. As I have chosen to translate into American English, this answer seems to me more suitable."
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7 mins
to the detriment of their Bishops
Seems to be straighforward - the Bishops represented the establishment, so the dominant reforming clergy would presumably act against them.
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Conor McAuley
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Anna Quail
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Carol Gullidge
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Leny Vargas
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Rachel Ward
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In the church, progressive clergy outnumbered the bishops
This is up for discussion...there could be a different meaning to this phrase altogether - meaning the sheer number of "reformers" dominated/outnumbered the bishops. The rest of the surrounding text would be necessary to know for sure.
Just a thought!
Just a thought!
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