Aug 23, 2007 17:15
16 yrs ago
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German term

erfragte und erhobene Befunde

German to English Medical Medical (general)
I don't know what the difference is between these two terms. They are part of a "Mutterpass". I would like to know what they mean and how to translate them.
Thanks!
Erfragte Befunde: Atemstillstand etc.
Erhobene Befunde: Untergewicht, Unreifezeichen etc.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 reported and observed findings
3 +1 anamnesis and clinical findings

Proposed translations

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reported and observed findings

or subjective vs objective

I don't much like "findings" but without a fuller context, hard to say what would be better - parameters?

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-08-23 19:02:58 GMT)
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Another dichotomy could be symptoms vs signs.
Note from asker:
It is a chart, where the physician should mark any applicable "findings". this is from a first examination for newborns. Findings looks okay to me here, but I am open to other suggestions. Thank you very much for your quick reply!
Peer comment(s):

agree Dr. Fred Thomson : Maybe "symptoms" or "indicia"?
54 mins
Thanks Fred - "symptoms" could work for "Erfragte Befunde" - never seen "indicia" in a medical context
agree Dr.G.MD (X)
3 hrs
agree Cilian O'Tuama
5 hrs
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+1
14 hrs

anamnesis and clinical findings

"observed" has too many connotations of mere visual input, whereas "erhoben" refers rather to actively examining the patient.

erfragte: established in conversation with patient or through questionnaire = anamnesis

erhobene: established during a physical examination

A possible pairing might be
anamnesis
clinical findings/results of physical exam



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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-08-24 07:30:48 GMT)
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For the distinction between "erheben" and "erfragen"

Dieser Aufgabentyp ist dadurch gekennzeichnet, dass die Kinder die ihren Berechnungen zugrunde liegenden Daten selbst erheben, erfragen oder schätzen müssen.
http://didaktik.mathematik.hu-berlin.de/fs-didaktik.html

Das bedeutet unter anderem, dass in Deutschland Versicherer derzeit genetische Daten erfragen, selbst erheben und verarbeiten dürfen.
http://www.klinefelter.at/Rechte.html
Peer comment(s):

agree milinad
18 mins
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