Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
D’ores et déjà et à dire d’acteurs
English translation:
Already, observers say,
French term
Accurate, natural and very hard-working
Native in: English 
, Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 3 more.
D’hors et déjà et à dire d’acteurs
"D’hors et déjà et à dire d’acteurs, l’ensemble des XXX enregistre une augmentation des admissions d’enfants et les hôpitaux de district. De plus nous pouvons croire d’après les stocks à disposition en décembre 2009 (2,8 mois) qu’à la fin du mois de février l’ensemble des populations en insécurité alimentaire modérée passera en insécurité alimentaire sévère."
Many thanks in advance.
Mar 1, 2010 13:06: Rob Grayson changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"
Mar 1, 2010 13:11: Stéphanie Soudais changed "Field (specific)" from "International Org/Dev/Coop" to "General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters"
Mar 1, 2010 16:09: Evans (X) changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"
Mar 4, 2010 12:34: philgoddard Created KOG entry
PRO (4): Kevin Pendergast, Chris Hall, John Peterson, Evans (X)
Non-PRO (3): SJLD, writeaway, Rob Grayson
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Proposed translations
United States
Six languages into flawless English
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, French to English, Spanish to English, and 4 more.
Already, observers say,
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polyglot45
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Thank you.
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Noni Gilbert Riley
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Thanks.
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Julie Barber
: Hi Phil, these are not observers they are parties involved, participating - actors is a common term in this field
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As I mentioned above, "observers" doesn't literally mean people who stand on the sidelines and watch. And I think actors would sound strange here.
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Anne-Marie Grant (X)
: I sometimes use 'those on the ground' for 'acteurs'
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That's a good idea.
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writeaway
: d'ores et déjà is such a commonly used phrase that a typo shouldn't have any effect and acteurs is also in dictionaries and in the glossary. Actors, players..... agree with Julie though. observers is perhaps taking things a bit too far.
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Your point about Pro/Non-Pro may be right.
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Kevin Pendergast
: I think that for "acteurs", "observers on the ground" (lots of relevant ghits) might be best to remove ambiguity, but I definitely think "actors" would be awkward English here.
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Thanks.
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John Peterson
: I'd go along with Tony M's comment below on using "players" and I think the discussion the question has generated makes it a Pro
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Thanks John.
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BEVERLY OATES HREHOROW
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Thanks again Beverly.
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Michel F. Morin
: Yes, even if there is a spelling mistake: it's "d'ores et déjà", instead of "d'hors et déjà" !
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Thanks Michel
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Chris Hall
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New Zealand
Economics and finance
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English
According to participants, [...] has already experienced an increase...
Participants/actors... have you chosen which term you're going for?
I've done a lot of translation for an NGO recently and personally prefer "participants", as long as the program in which they are participating is clearly identified.
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already and according to actors,
Already and according to actors, ....
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Tony M
: I think this literal translation would be da,ngerous here, as it could so easily lead people to imagine we are really talking literally about people in the theatre; the potential ambiguity is compounded by the absence of any article...
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Julie Barber
: Tony - actors is very common in this field: http://www.unep.org/climatechange/Actors/tabid/231/language/...
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Chris Hall
: Although "actors" may not be wrong, I would not be inclined to use it in this context.
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United States
The promise of excellence.
Native in: English , French
Works in: English to French, Spanish to French, French to English
Even now and according to key-players,...
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Tony M
: I find 'players' is often a satisfactory solution to this 'acteurs' problem
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Thank you Tony, yes I like the not-so-formal sound of "player" in this case, just like the "acteurs" in the French version
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Chris Hall
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Thank you Chris
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writeaway
: where is there "key" in the French. Of course I agree with players since I mentioned that translation in my peer comment earlier on
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Well I thought that too, but just having "players" by itself doesn't sound right, it doesn't convey the importance of these "pundits" and it can even be considered a derogatory term in some cases, by adding "key" you remove all that (IMO of course)
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