Glossary entry

Korean term or phrase:

~ㄴ다 vs ~고 있다

English translation:

the presence or absence of an activity VS an ongoing activity that accompanies an event

Added to glossary by Roddy Stegemann
Mar 31, 2010 09:59
14 yrs ago
Korean term

~ㄴ다 vs ~고 있다

Non-PRO Korean to English Science Linguistics The Progressive Tense
Please consider the following two sentences. Are they equivalent?

1) 덥더니 비가 오는 구먼.
2) 덥더니 비가 오고 있는 구먼.
Change log

Apr 3, 2010 06:09: Roddy Stegemann Created KOG entry

Discussion

Roddy Stegemann (asker) Apr 3, 2010:
English2Korean You have an unusual conception of register, but thank you for your help anyway.
English2Korean Apr 2, 2010:
He/she doesn't have to choose between two. Why he/she should?
There so much endings he/she can choose.

He/she can use whatever register he/she use to convey his/her hidden meanings regardless of asker's register.

비 와요. (he/she might be thinking, "why are you asking me with wrong Korean express and it is obvious that it is raining outside")
Roddy Stegemann (asker) Apr 2, 2010:
English2Korean Thank you for the correction, but I was more concerned about the response. It came from a Korean. The person used neither the 오는~, nor the 오고 있~ construction.
English2Korean Apr 2, 2010:
R.A. Yes, you are correct: "fact" and "state"

"비가 오는다?" is wrong. Koreans don't use this ending at all.

You should ask like the followings:
비가 오니? or 비가 오고 있니?
Roddy Stegemann (asker) Apr 2, 2010:
English2Korean When you say the "fact" of raining, do you mean the presence or absence of rain? When you say the "state" of raining, do you mean something that is present when something else takes place?

Yesterday, I performed an experiment. I knew it was raining outside, but was indoors and on my way out. So, I aksed, 비가 오는 다? The answer was 비 와요.

Proposed translations

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Nearly same, but nuance is somewhat different

1) Speaker's emphasis on the "fact" of raining.
2) Speaker's emphasis on the "state" of raining.

When it is raining for a while, the speaker may use the second register. Of course, he/she may use the first register, thinking about the "fact" of raining.

However:

When the rain just started, the speaker usually use the first register. Of course, the speaker can use the second register, but usually use the first register, thinking of the start(fact) of raining.
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