Tony M Nov 11, 2013:

@ W/A Sorted! ;-)

writeaway Nov 10, 2013:

normally you shouldn't be able to give a peer agree to a question you've actually posted!!! imo this means you are not properly logged in for some reason. send a support request. this must be a glitch of some sort

Pamela Hewitt (X) Nov 10, 2013:

Thanks very much Tony. I have chosen your answer but for some reason I can't grade or enter the term in the glossaries

Tony M Nov 7, 2013:

Thanks, Nikki! I know we are basivally saying the same thing, so I don't need to pick hairs; but I do think it is important to underline that 'report' often (and IMHO here) means 'at a distance', or as I have said in earlier questions, 'remoted' etc.
Hence 'report' and 'télé-' both convey the same idea

Nikki Scott-Despaigne Nov 6, 2013:

There are a couple of PPTs on the web with "report en télésurveillance" for fire detection, instruction etc, a number of things. The report means to me as in the sense of monitoring (and Tony, my dear, I'm agreeing with you)! "télésurveillance" means the monitoring is being done at a distance : no surprise there, standard. The report just kind of reinforces that in some way. The EN terms for "telesurveillance" almost imply that the monitoring is there too,; here it is specified.

writeaway Nov 5, 2013:

well, I'm quoting a most-favoured dico and any dico ia a good place to start. Naturally the context provided makes it clear that much, much more is needed.

Tony M Nov 5, 2013:

Cont. The key point, really, is that these days all surveillance (at least in terms of fire detection) is almost bound to be electronic (except perhaps for the forest firewatch up a tower with binoculars!); but that could be equally well local (i.e. a control room on the actual premises) as remote (a control room off the premises, possibly monitoring several locations).

Tony M Nov 5, 2013:

@ Writeaway As you yourself so often say, you can't believe everything you read in dictionaries; the underlying concept of course almost inevitably involves the use of electronics, yes; however, that is far from being the whole story, especially in terms of how the term has evolved and is used in real life. That could translate almost any instance of, e.g., 'alarme reporté'.

If you check out 'télésurveillance', you'll find that the vast majority of instances refer to specific services, usually involving a central control room, either run by the company itself (for example: monitoring several of its sites) or very often a third-party outsourcer providing a similar service, with different levels of protection — from simply phoning you to warn you your premises are on fire to actually going round and trying to put it out! These services are very popular over here in France (I don't know about where you are in Belgium?), with big names like Securitas jumping on the bandwaggon, and also being offered by e.g. banks with insurance interests.

writeaway Nov 5, 2013:

electronic surveillance is what the dictionary shows for télésurveillance