Glossary entry (derived from question below)
русский term or phrase:
крыша среди крутых
английский translation:
protection from powerful people
Added to glossary by
Susan Welsh
Apr 24, 2014 18:23
10 yrs ago
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русский term
США
Psychology, economics, politics
Native in: английский 
Works in: русский => английский, немецкий => английский, английский
крыша среди крутых
русский => английский
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Жаргон
fiction
An informant has told a cop about someone who was making inquiries about a certain company, owned by a guy named Marino, who has now been murdered.
"И тот блатной хотел знать, стоит ли кто-нибудь за фирмой Марино. Есть у него крыша среди крутых или нет, понимаешь?"
I'm guessing that he's asking whether there's anyone with any brains at the company.
Thanks in advance!
"И тот блатной хотел знать, стоит ли кто-нибудь за фирмой Марино. Есть у него крыша среди крутых или нет, понимаешь?"
I'm guessing that he's asking whether there's anyone with any brains at the company.
Thanks in advance!
Proposed translations
(английский)
| 4 +4 | protection in the right/strong circles (but p l e a s e see...) |
Michael Korovkin
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| 4 +5 | mafia / gang protection |
Alexander Kayumov
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| 3 | crime sponsored cover |
George Pavlov
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Lilit Ghazaryan
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Proposed translations
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12 час
Michael Korovkin
Италия
Италия
Native in русский
&
английский
Италия
Native in: английский 
, русский
Works in: русский => английский, английский => русский, итальянский => русский, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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protection in the right/strong circles (but p l e a s e see...)
1. To reduce the term krysha to "mafia protection" is patently wrong. In Russia today one can do very little without protection. It's like a patron-client scale: все у кого-то крышуются и все кого-то крышуют. Никого не крышует только последний бомж, и ни у кого не крышуется только царь (Путин).
The most thought-after krysha today is by no means the Mob but the FSB. But you may purchase your krysha from the police, the judiciary, from some ministry, even from the Gasprom, and so forth. Mafia, for krysha, is far from the most desirable.
2. "Cover" here would be also patently wrong. In this context in English, "cover" would be the right "legend", a well-constructed bona-fide background history. "Protection" is the right term. In the West, say the US, too, the Mob, the Police, the FBI etc., all sell or give protection; and reducing the term to the sexual protection is just a gratuitous onslaught of conversational cuteness.
3. "krutoj" is strong, awsome, potent, powerful, great, etc. Has nothing particularly afine to the Mob. One can be a "krutoj" (strong/great) or "otstojnyj" (weak, bad, lousy) mobster, judge, policeman, politician ... anyone.
Hope it helps
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Note added at 1 day12 hrs (2014-04-26 07:21:38 GMT)
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i guess you may also put "protection in cool circles"
The most thought-after krysha today is by no means the Mob but the FSB. But you may purchase your krysha from the police, the judiciary, from some ministry, even from the Gasprom, and so forth. Mafia, for krysha, is far from the most desirable.
2. "Cover" here would be also patently wrong. In this context in English, "cover" would be the right "legend", a well-constructed bona-fide background history. "Protection" is the right term. In the West, say the US, too, the Mob, the Police, the FBI etc., all sell or give protection; and reducing the term to the sexual protection is just a gratuitous onslaught of conversational cuteness.
3. "krutoj" is strong, awsome, potent, powerful, great, etc. Has nothing particularly afine to the Mob. One can be a "krutoj" (strong/great) or "otstojnyj" (weak, bad, lousy) mobster, judge, policeman, politician ... anyone.
Hope it helps
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Note added at 1 day12 hrs (2014-04-26 07:21:38 GMT)
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i guess you may also put "protection in cool circles"
Peer comment(s):
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Alexander Kayumov
: Excellent analysis. I think if the novel is set in the 1990s - early 2000s, it's the mob and various other types of criminals; if it's set in the Putin era, it's the FSB and other agencies you mention.
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thanks Alexander. Yeah, Google still can't beat study and experience! :) It was also about "krutoj", which in other suggestions is simply omitted
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The Misha
: I may be a sucker for "gratuitous conversational cuteness" but go tell all this to my regular fellow Americans. Whether we like it or not, established usage rule and we disregard it totally at our peril. See my comment above.
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thanks, M. C'mon though, gimmi a break: "mob protection", "police protection", "protection racket","weapons for personal protection",etc.Don't tell me that every time you mention protection,all Americans do is think of rubbers!You're being cute alright!:)
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Oleksiy Markunin
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thanks Oleksiy
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rtransr
: Excellet. Your version is my favorite!
11 час
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thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all. Michael and Alexander were both equally helpful, but this one fine-tunes the concept. (But no, not "cool" in this context. These people are cold-blooded murderers.) Interesting discussion!"
8 мин
George Pavlov
Канада
Канада
Native in русский
Канада
Working HW Electronics Designer
Native in: русский
Works in: английский => русский, русский => английский
crime sponsored cover
Most likely, but it could be a political backup depending on the other context.
39 мин
Lilit Ghazaryan
Армения
Армения
Native in русский
Армения
Native in: армянский (Variant: Eastern) , русский (Variant: Standard-Russia)
Works in: армянский => английский, армянский => русский, русский => английский, and 2 more.
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Крыша in this context means someone who is like authority, well respected among gangsters, that will protect him in gangster related issues.
Крутые are the gangsters in this context
Крутые are the gangsters in this context
Example sentence:
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Peer comment(s):
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Michael Korovkin
: "krysha"is simply a protection.You can get it from anyone, not necessarily, and today not even very often, from the Mob. The best krysha today is the FSB.Krutye are the strong/good in ANY context;in itself the term has no particular affinity to gangsters.
11 час
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+5
11 мин
Alexander Kayumov
Россия
Россия
Native in русский
Россия
ph: +7 (950) 1980-769
Native in: русский
Works in: английский => русский, русский => английский, английский
mafia / gang protection
"Крыша" means "protection", the kind that mafia provides.
If you google "Abramovich krysha", you will find lots of references to how Roman Abramovich, a Russian oligarch, explained the concept to London's High Court in 2011. See e.g.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/abramovich-s-u-k-tr...
http://eurasian-law-breaking-news.blogspot.ru/2011/11/abramo...
"Крутые" is sort of a 1990s terms referring to members of organized crime, basically. So "mafia", or "gangs", or whatever slang term you want to choose for that - I am sure you are better placed to pick one as you probably know more terms for that than I do. :)
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Note added at 16 mins (2014-04-24 18:40:24 GMT)
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George Pavlov is right in saying that "крутой" does not necessarily refer to members of criminal organizations - it may also simply refer to somebody "powerful", in various senses of the word.
However, judging by the language of your example sentences (here and in a previous questions) - words such as "блатной", for example - it looks like what you are translating is related to criminal circles, so if I had to guess I would pick the first sense of the word "крутой"...
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Note added at 1 hr (2014-04-24 19:28:07 GMT)
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You are welcome! :)
If you google "Abramovich krysha", you will find lots of references to how Roman Abramovich, a Russian oligarch, explained the concept to London's High Court in 2011. See e.g.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/abramovich-s-u-k-tr...
http://eurasian-law-breaking-news.blogspot.ru/2011/11/abramo...
"Крутые" is sort of a 1990s terms referring to members of organized crime, basically. So "mafia", or "gangs", or whatever slang term you want to choose for that - I am sure you are better placed to pick one as you probably know more terms for that than I do. :)
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Note added at 16 mins (2014-04-24 18:40:24 GMT)
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George Pavlov is right in saying that "крутой" does not necessarily refer to members of criminal organizations - it may also simply refer to somebody "powerful", in various senses of the word.
However, judging by the language of your example sentences (here and in a previous questions) - words such as "блатной", for example - it looks like what you are translating is related to criminal circles, so if I had to guess I would pick the first sense of the word "крутой"...
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Note added at 1 hr (2014-04-24 19:28:07 GMT)
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You are welcome! :)
Note from asker:
| Thanks for the interesting background - it's what makes Kudoz fun! And yes, it is a novel about criminal gangs. |
Peer comment(s):
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The Misha
: Apparently, the British judge learned to call it krisha, because the word is all over the final write-up that followed the actual ruling in the case. Except I'd call it cover. Protection has a... ahem.. slightly different ring to it.
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Yep, that's what's so funny here! Finally we Russians found something we could teach to the Brits. :) // I don't know about that... Abramovich, UK lawyers, and the media covering the case use "protection".
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Mikhail Kropotov
: I disagree with The Misha. Protection has just the right ring to it.
3 час
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Thanks! "Protection money", "protection racket" - that's exactly what they call it, I believe...
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rtransr
: "protection" - backup, защита (makes sense, IMHO)
4 час
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Thanks!
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Sofia Gutkin
: Protection is fine, but I do believe The Misha is making a reference to condoms? The joys of the English language!
8 час
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:)) Thanks!
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Natalia Volkova
13 час
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Thanks!
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Discussion
<<<I disagree with The Misha. Protection has just the right ring to it.
3 hrs
-> Thanks! "Protection money", "protection racket" - that's exactly what they call it, I believe...>>>
That's all nice and good. The only one you DON'T want to use is the exact phrase "use protection" - that's the funny one. Usage, gentlemen.