Glossary entry

русский term or phrase:

Черный (see context)

английский translation:

Dark Master/ Black Master/ His Exalted Darkness/His Dark Majesty/the Lord of Umbra/Umbra Demon/

Added to glossary by Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
Sep 19, 2016 00:31
7 yrs ago
русский term

Черный (see context)

русский => английский Искусство/Литература Литература и поэзия Fantasy (LitRPG)
Please read this before putting up "Black One" as the answer...

So, the main character becomes known as a Черный Демон (his actual race is a demon in a LitRPG for those who are familiar with the genre, though it could just as easily apply in other fantasy settings). It is a mark of great power in this world, so when other characters refer to him as such, it denotes respect.

The problem is, as any English native should immediately recognize, the literal translation sounds utterly ludicrous in English. I'd been using "Dark One" as a placeholder, but I'm not happy with it, especially since it may lead to confusion as there are light and dark races in the book.

Any creative suggestions are very much appreciated.
Change log

Sep 26, 2016 13:55: Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D. Created KOG entry

Discussion

Mikhail Yagupov Sep 19, 2016:
Or you could reverse the logic and opt for something along the lines of "Lightbane" or "Lightsbane" as the equivalent of "utter darkness." Would work as a nickname, I guess.
Mikhail Kropotov Sep 19, 2016:
Is being black / being called black important in any other way in the story / lore? It could be that your hands are tied and it just has to be 'black' to work with other things. For example (and I'm just making this up to make my point), Black demons run a *black* market or maybe they prefer to drink *black* coffee. Then none of this 'nightly' or 'dark' stuff will work. Anyway, just a thought. We don't have all the context, ya know ;)
Mark Berelekhis (asker) Sep 19, 2016:
That's the problem... It needs to match the conversational/informal tone where it's most often used. Like, instead of using the character's name, others refer to him as such. It works well in Russian, not so much in English.
The Misha Sep 19, 2016:
Well, maybe not Midnight then. Unless you want to have an entire Midnight Race. The Born of the Dark race? It's a little unwieldy though.
Rachel Douglas Sep 19, 2016:
FWIW Many fantasy writers have had no problem with "Black Demon":
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q="higher demon"#tbm=b...

And there seems to be a writer named Kim Richardson whose books are populated with "higher demons".
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q="Higher Demon"
Mark Berelekhis (asker) Sep 19, 2016:
Very happy to have such heavy hitters joining the discussion :)

So, the character is part of the demon race, so that part is nothing special. These black demons are special, however. Here's an explanation from the text:

"Высшие – это те, кто смогли совладать с проснувшейся в них истинной кровью. Редко, очень редко она в ком-то просыпается, но еще реже тот, в ком она все-таки проснулась, может обуздать свою ярость и не превратиться в чудовище. Полностью черным в боевой форме становится только высший."

So, essentially, think of being a высший as a higher caste, with greater strength and abilities. And being called a черный is an honorific because these units transform in combat into an especially fearsome all-black form.
The Misha Sep 19, 2016:
Midnight is a good one. Methink.
Rachel Douglas Sep 19, 2016:
Synonyms Mark, is there any reason the second word cannot be "Demon"? Sorry, but I know nothing about the genre you mention. Which is supposed to be a token of respect - "demon", or the color?

Of synonyms not containing the word "black" (like "coal-black," etc.), would any of these be possibilities? - sable, ebon, ebony, midnight, inky, raven; and, some synonyms of dark: darksome, night-mantled, tenebrous, shadowy.

Proposed translations

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Dark Master/ Black Master/ His Exalted Darkness/His Dark Majesty/the Lord of Umbra/Umbra Demon/

Take one, take any one.

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umbra

the fully shaded inner region of a shadow cast by an opaque object, especially the area on the earth or moon experiencing the total phase of an eclipse.

literary
shadow or darkness

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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "To be honest I went with my placeholder in the end, so I'm grading this for being the most "creative" answer. Though if Rachel had put her suggestions as an answer, I would have had to go with her. This was a really tough question to answer precisely because you guys don't have the overall context, knowledge of existing hierarchy, etc. But thank you everyone for trying."
1 час

Dusky

Or maybe even Dusky-san, is there's something Japanese themed about this thing? Personally, I like Dusky, which sounds very organic for a name in English, but it is probably not respectful enough, hence the "san" part.

Other things to think of: Obsidian, The Somber One, or maybe even Raven? Definitely not Ebony - you know why. Not Joe Black either.

Of the Dark? Just like that, capitalized. Dark as Night? Apparently, there's even some kind of a music act by that name, if that's of any help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-8LiRcdlU


Naturally, all of this is pure speculation.
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3 час

Nighted

or Benighted.
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+1
7 час

Archfiend/Dark Lord

If it is a sign of repsect the literal translation of Черный as Dark or Black can possibly be replaced with something as menacing but sounding as a title.
Peer comment(s):

agree LilianNekipelov
58 мин
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2 дн 13 час

Hard

Hard Demon vs Light Demon providing it fits the contexts; as a thought.

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