Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Oct 31, 2017 15:29
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Dalia
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I need this Arabic female first name written with FULL/ALL diacritics and its closest transliteration/pronunciation.
I have داليا so far, but it's missing the diacritics.
Explanations in English, please, except for Arabic script examples!
Thank you.
I have داليا so far, but it's missing the diacritics.
Explanations in English, please, except for Arabic script examples!
Thank you.
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| 5 | دَالِيَا |
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دَالِيَا
دَالِيَا
/daliā/
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2017-11-03 09:19:14 GMT)
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No, it isn't.
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Note added at 3 days1 hr (2017-11-03 17:19:32 GMT)
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I think دَالِيَا is an exception to the rule because it is not an original Arabic word. It is an Arabized version of the word 'Dahlia'.
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Note added at 3 days23 hrs (2017-11-04 15:03:41 GMT)
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The Arabic word for grape vine is دَاِليَة /dālia/. I cannot find داليا in any Arabic dictionary.
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Note added at 3 days23 hrs (2017-11-04 15:04:11 GMT)
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دَالِيَة
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 17:53:29 GMT)
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You hunch may be right, i.e. دَالِيَا may be just a spelling variation of دَالِيَة. But I have never heard the first ALIF of دَالِيَا pronounced as long /a/.
As for دَالِيَة, the ALIF is long and the TAA’ MARBUUTA is pronounced as a normal TAA’ plus the appropriate final inflectional vowel when the name comes in the middle of a sentence and is pronounced as a /h/ sound in case of stopping at the name.
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 17:53:47 GMT)
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*Your hunch
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 18:07:14 GMT)
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No, the ALIF in دَالِيَة is long, as mentioned above.
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 18:24:42 GMT)
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The exception is only for daliā, the name. So,
- دَالِيَا, the name, is pronounced as /daliā/
- دَالِيَة, the grape vine, is /dāliah/
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 18:28:04 GMT)
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You are welcome!
/daliā/
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Note added at 2 days17 hrs (2017-11-03 09:19:14 GMT)
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No, it isn't.
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Note added at 3 days1 hr (2017-11-03 17:19:32 GMT)
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I think دَالِيَا is an exception to the rule because it is not an original Arabic word. It is an Arabized version of the word 'Dahlia'.
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Note added at 3 days23 hrs (2017-11-04 15:03:41 GMT)
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The Arabic word for grape vine is دَاِليَة /dālia/. I cannot find داليا in any Arabic dictionary.
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Note added at 3 days23 hrs (2017-11-04 15:04:11 GMT)
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دَالِيَة
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 17:53:29 GMT)
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You hunch may be right, i.e. دَالِيَا may be just a spelling variation of دَالِيَة. But I have never heard the first ALIF of دَالِيَا pronounced as long /a/.
As for دَالِيَة, the ALIF is long and the TAA’ MARBUUTA is pronounced as a normal TAA’ plus the appropriate final inflectional vowel when the name comes in the middle of a sentence and is pronounced as a /h/ sound in case of stopping at the name.
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 17:53:47 GMT)
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*Your hunch
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 18:07:14 GMT)
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No, the ALIF in دَالِيَة is long, as mentioned above.
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 18:24:42 GMT)
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The exception is only for daliā, the name. So,
- دَالِيَا, the name, is pronounced as /daliā/
- دَالِيَة, the grape vine, is /dāliah/
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Note added at 4 days (2017-11-04 18:28:04 GMT)
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You are welcome!
Note from asker:
| Isn't the first A also long? |
| I'm sorry, but what is the rule regarding a CONSONANT + FATHAH + ALIF? For example: Abbād عَبَّادْ, Ibrāhīm إِبْرَاهِيمْ, Rāshid رَاشِدْ, Anwār أَنْوَارْ (as opposed to the male first name, which is short, because it has no ALIF), Khālid خَالِدْ, etc., all of which have a LONG A. So is Daliā an exception to the rule?<br><br> Also, in this Wikipedia article ALIF is mentioned several times as a LONG A already, while FATHAH is mentioned as a SHORT A. So SHORT A + LONG A does not equal LONG A?<br> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet<br> That's why I'm wondering, whether this word is an exception to the rule. |
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalia_(given_name) <br><br> According to the above link Dalia is very much an Arabic name: "The name in Arabic stems from the word for grape vine", while the word "dahlia" with an H is a flower, which has nothing to do with the Arabic feminine first name Dalia. So what is "grape vine" in Arabic then? |
| The above link also mentions on the right the origin of this word: Arabic & Hebrew. |
| Well, either way both A letters seem LONG to me in both versions. Now the only difference between grape vine & female name is in the last letter. But an ALIF is LONG and a TA MARBUTAH is also long, because you don't hear the H in -AH, but you hear the A as a LONG A because of the H. |
| So my hunch is, that grape vine & female name are actually the same word. Grape vine was the original word, from which they made the female name, but in order to differentiate it from grape vine, they just changed the spelling of the last letter, which practically left the sound the same, too. |
| So "Dalia's grape vine" would be "dāliā al-Dāliā" then, with both As LONG in both words. |
| A least according to the writing rules. |
| I meant "At least". |
| OK, so even for grape vine you would pronounce the first A as SHORT? In other words, are you saying, that an exception exists also for the first A in grape vine? |
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet <br><br> I can only quote my above source again, where it says:<br> alif أَلِفْ ā and aː for ALL versions of ALIF: isolated, initial, medial, final. So any ALIF seems to be LONG to me.<br><br> However, if you scroll down further to FATHAH, DAMMAH, KASRAH, all of those are SHORT, so they wrote them: a, u, I.<br><br> But what we have here at the beginning of each word (whether grape vine or female name), are TWO letters A, not just one! So it starts with a FATHAH on top of DAL, which is a SHORT A. Then the next letter is an ISOLATED or INITIAL ALIF according to my Wikipedia list, which is a LONG A.<br><br> But even if we had to SHORT As, wouldn't that make A+A=Ā then? I mean, 2 shorts already make a long, but we even have more, than that: we have A+Ā=REALLY LONG Ā. (It's like 3 short As together.) |
| So does the exception only go for DALIĀ, the name? Or also for grape vine? So how would you pronounce GRAPE VINE then? DALIĀ or DĀLIĀ? Which one? |
| OK then. Weird situation, but clear. |
| Thank you for explaining. |
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