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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Tränenwischen

English translation:

teardrop wiping

Added to glossary by Michael Harris
May 26, 2018 20:11
5 yrs ago
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German term

Tränenwischen

German to English Tech/Engineering Automotive / Cars & Trucks Windscreens
Hello everyone, I have come across this term in a technical specification for windscreen wipers / motors, etc.
I must admit that I have never heard of this term before and seeing as this seems to relate to VW and have ben driving VW cars over the past 10 years, I am not sure wht the correct term could be.

It obviously has something to do with wiping the small droplets away at the end of the wiping cycle, but....

Thanks for any help
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 teardrop wiping
4 +3 courtesy wipe (AKA "the extra wipe")
4 trickle wipe (trickle wiping)
3 Intermittent wipers
4 -1 follow-up wiping
References
https://www.audi-sport.net › ... › New A...

Discussion

Michael Harris (asker) Jun 6, 2018:
@ProZ staff I am waiting for feedback from my customer as to which term they have used before closing this.
Björn Vrooman May 29, 2018:
Hello Alison Glad to see you posting :)

I'm going to go "off the grid" again soon; a lot of work still to do. I hope you enjoy the sunny weather!

To support both you and Lancashireman, I can offer an Audi A4 manual, which confirms what the poster you mentioned said (includes "dribble" and "extra"):
https://ownersmanuals2.com/audi/a4-s4-2008-owners-manual-652...

I also searched for "delayed wipe" (again, not wiping but wipe and why not?) and found out that Tesla calls it "third wipe":
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/windshieldwipers-third...
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/913720/Tesla-Model-S.html?...

Plenty to choose from, although I'd prefer a more descriptive approach. If third seems too vague, extra or delayed will do nicely.

Best wishes
Alison MacG May 29, 2018:
Dribble wipe Found this term when looking for UK usage, but no idea how common it really is.
From books by http://www.automotive-technology.co.uk/?author=1
If the rear wiper is not switched on the CCU will operate the blades for one more sweep after about 18 s. This is commonly known as the 'dribble wipe'!
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kmE1DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA467&lp...
… 'dribble wipe' (an extra wipe several seconds after washing)
From a forum: One poster states The Brits have labeled this feature as the "dribble wipe" Then pastes in part of an Audi manual
Dribble wipe - About 5 seconds after the wash and wipe cycle has finished, the windscreen wiper system automatically gives the screen one extra wipe to remove any dribbles of water.
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/q7-mkii-discussion-211/wind...
@Björn. Is your KudoZ sabbatical over already? Good to see you back, though.
Björn Vrooman May 28, 2018:
Hello David I appreciate the sentiment.

What I don't appreciate is one of my (pretty rare) instances of disagreement being dismissed while the suggestion is easily disprovable.

I also don't appreciate the Ghits mantra being trotted out time and again. Here's one article about this: https://searchengineland.com/why-google-cant-count-results-p...

Heck, even Google, on its own pages nonetheless, will tell you:
"When filtering is enabled, for all but the last page of results you see the estimated total number of results. If you have requested the last page of results, then you see the total number of filtered results, which is likely to be much smaller than the estimated total number of results."
https://support.google.com/gsa/answer/6329272#7e6d059a-c9ae-...

And so on.

Likewise, I don't appreciate massive amounts of copy & paste being called in-depth research, while what you needed were two YouTube links to show teardrop and courtesy for VW and Ford, respectively.

Alison, who answered Michael's previous question, knows how to do in-depth research--while not cluttering up the pages with irrelevant info.

Enjoy your day, David
David Hollywood May 28, 2018:
mach mal halblang Björn, dein Englisch ist super und wir wissen es zu schätzen
Björn Vrooman May 27, 2018:
Talk about research... The document posted for "follow-up" clearly proves that this is not what is meant here. Not that I trust this document, but it shows on p. 20 that what they call "trickle wipe" is activated AFTER the follow-up (which is more than one wipe). I will not repost the link because it is marked "for internal use only"; it was uploaded to a rather obscure web page. In any case, it is an in-house self-study program. Who knows who translated this.

Some actual research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpc5bngRRsU

Skip to 0:36. There you'll find the Tear Drop feature if that really is what you're after, Michael (you only said "seems to relate to VW," which doesn't make it clear at all, since Ford has that too and probably other automakers do as well).

VDCS is the diagnostics software for Volkswagen vehicles:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCDS

Best
Björn Vrooman May 27, 2018:
"You should always put the searched term into double quotation marks"

Search, not searched; anyway, with all due respect, this has little to do with it and if that's all you think there is to it, then you have absolutely no idea how Google operates. The only thing you can do--which you have even done sometimes--is to turn to reputable ENS pages.

And, regarding your examples, there it is again: You quote a German company! Why don't English native speakers just give up translation altogether? They might as well scavenge all those German pages for some word crumbs.

Not sure where Michael is from [Edit: yes, I see the Welsh flag], but he should know what Reagan said when talking about nuclear disarmament...

Best
Björn Vrooman May 27, 2018:
I was polite. What you did others would consider offensive.

Let me quote:
"'teardown wiping' 1 result (0,25 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?ei=VoQKW7bIMYqImwW0wbvQDQ&q=&qu...

'courtesy wiping' About 101 results (0,30 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?ei=yYQKW6vvBaH76ASkqYOQAQ&q=&qu...
(Leider auch hier keine überzeugende Treffer, nur Do-it-yourself-Foren oder Artikel, die nichts mit dem Thema zu tun haben)."

Later you said:
"'teardrop wiping' About 12.800 results (0,43 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?biw=932&bih=602&ei=eIYKW6beFoX1...

This is what journalists with an agenda do. You corrected yourself when it came to Phil's answer, but you did not extend the same courtesy to Lancashireman. He never said "wiping"--for good reason. I will chalk it up to accidental this time, but it looks very suspicious.

The same is true for any kind of gerund form here. The company that Michael mentioned is also based in Germany. Why, Michael, would you let yourself be influenced by what Germans write, except for those cases when you have to choose the "brand name"?

[...]
Michael Harris (asker) May 27, 2018:
@ Johannes I find that you always provide loads fo info when you respond to these polls, keep it up! And thanks for all the input you have given, I will be putting some suggestions towards my client and see which magic they can perform.
Like I said, keep up the great help you privide to all!
Johannes Gleim May 27, 2018:
@ Björn Please be polite! Alleging I "had posted highly misleading information" is deemed unfair, if no proof is given.

You may understand that each company invents it's own terminology, esp. if the feature is new and not yet standardized. The car in question is made by Volkswagen. Ford's terminology is not compulsory therefore, even irrelevant.

I confirm to know how to use the Google search function correctly. You should always put the searched term into double quotation marks, e.g. "Wiping". And that's what I did. I agree that the number of hits is not the highest authority, but the term with the most hits is obviously common. In any case the reliability should be checked, nevertheless. This can be done by each peer easily, including the asker, if the link is provided.

In regard to the -ing form, please note that I am aware of the difference between "wipe" and "wiping". "wiping" is an activity or process, "wipe" is focussed on the moment. And please note that typewriting may lead to typing errors, as some documents do not allow copying and paste.
Johannes Gleim May 27, 2018:
@ Micheal: I did not propose "follow-up wiping cycles", but "follow-up wiping". It's one wiping cycle (back and forth) approx. 5 seconds after the 3 previous wiping cycle. For better distinction you can use "trickle wiping" instead of. I found this term, used by Volkswagen, after all. See my 2nd proposal.
Björn Vrooman May 27, 2018:
@Johannes You've posted highly misleading information. Courtesy Wipe is US manufacturer Ford's term of choice. If you don't believe me, here's something to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcD2Rj1mxok

Also, you cannot just replace "wipe" by "wiping" (that's the German way of creating fake EN words). This is probably what happened in VW's case, unfortunately: Audi does seem to use Teardrop Wiping for this.

But there aren't 12,800 Ghits. Not even close. UK pages show maybe a dozen and .com pages fewer than 200. The number also changes depending on the device you're on, where you are, how you entered the keywords...

It's a hopeless task to try and uproot the belief that the number of Ghits means much. If you know how Google operates, what it indexes and how it personalizes your settings, you wouldn't throw these numbers around.

Just ask NASA how much of the web you can actually search.

Best
Johannes Gleim May 26, 2018:
Ist eine Art des Intervallwischens, Wenn man den Wischerhebel einmal antippt, der Wischer 3 x über die Windschutzscheibe wischt und dann automatisch aufhört und einige Sekunden später noch mal nachwischt. Siehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFFwD8TENk

Dem Ausdruck "Tränenwischen" bin ich noch nie begegnet. Eventuell eine Übersetzung aus dem Englischen?

Proposed translations

+4
23 mins
Selected

teardrop wiping

"Fooling with the VAG-COM and was wondering what teardrop wiping is.
Thanks.
When you squirt the windscreen... it will do several wipes and then wait 10 or so seconds and do one final wipe to clear up any remainder."
http://forums.mwerks.com/showthread.php?2380452-What-is-Tear...

Peer comment(s):
agree Unna
39 mins
agree Johannes Gleim : 12.800 results are convincing
13 hrs
Thanks! Lancashireman doesn't think so :-)
agree David Hollywood : 26 feb. 2016 - Subido por m11akos Skoda Octavia 3 front teardrop wipe activated with VCDS. does it for me Phil
1 day 4 hrs
agree Claudia Cotelea
2 days 12 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks a lot Phil, I did not expect this to be a literal translation, but that is actually what this customer uses"
7 hrs

Intermittent wipers

Design was intended to mimic the function of the human eye, which blinks only once every few seconds.

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Note added at 17 hrs (2018-05-27 14:03:46 GMT)
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Thanks, I realised it after posting.


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Note added at 17 hrs (2018-05-27 14:04:22 GMT)
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Thanks, I realised it after posting
Reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kearns

Note from asker:
Hi Vere, intermittent wiping is something different.
No worries, thanks for attempting
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1 day 12 hrs

trickle wipe (trickle wiping)

The wiper system features the following functions:
:
- Tip wiping stage 2
- Prewash
- Follow up wash after wash/wipe function
- Trickle wipe
:
Follow up wash after wash/wipe function
If the wash/wipe function is actuated longer than 0.5 seconds, the follow up wiping function is actuated three times. I actuation time is less, follow up wiping is actuated twice.

Trickle wiping
If the road speed of the vehicle is greater than 2 km/h the wiper function is actuated once more 5 seconds after the last follow up was (follow up wiping cyle)-
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
(taken from the annex of my 1st proposal)

It is clear that "wiping" refers to an activity or process in a general way, while "wipe" to the kind of activity.

Note: Sorry for the typing errors in previous citations, but the document did not allow copy and paste. I had to typewrite the content from the screen.
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-1
14 hrs

follow-up wiping

In meiner Betriebsanleitung finde ich folgendes:
Scheibenwischer:
Hebel leicht nach oben tippen
O = aus
- - = einstellbare Intervallschaltung
–– = langsam
== = schnell
Hebel geht immer in die Ausgangsposition zurück. Schalten in die nächst höhere oder niedrigere Stufe: Hebel nur leicht antippen.
Einstellbare Intervallschaltung –
Kurze Intervalle = Rändelrad nach rechts
Lange Intervalle = Rändelrad nach links
Hebel aus Position O nach unten: Tippwischen

Wischautomatik mit Regensensor
Hebel leicht nach oben tippen
O = aus
- - = Wischautomatik mit Regensensor
–– = langsam (konstant)
== = schnell (konstant
Wischautomatik --. Der Regensensor erkennt die Wassermenge auf der Scheibe und steuert automatisch die Scheibenwischer. Mit dem Rändelrad die Empfindlichkeit des Systems einstellen.
Geringe Empfindlichkeit = nach links
Hohe Empfindlichkeit = nach rechts
Bei Bedarf können die Positionen — und ==manuel gewählt werden.

Vergleicht man das mit "It obviously has something to do with wiping the small droplets away at the end of the wiping cycle", so hat es mit Tippwischen zu tun.

Wie man unter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFFwD8TENk sieht, geht es um ein einmaliges Nachwischen nach dem Tippwischen. Wird auch "Tropfenwischen" genannt. Leider konnte ich weder online noch durch Nachschlagen in Fachwörterbüchern keine Übersetzung für einen der Begriffe finden, auch nicht im "Fachwörterbuch für Kfz-Technik". Muss wohl eine neuere Entwicklung sein.

Gegenprobe mit den vorgeschlagenen Übersetzungen:

"teardown wiping" 1 result (0,25 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?ei=VoQKW7bIMYqImwW0wbvQDQ&q="te...

"courtesy wiping" About 101 results (0,30 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?ei=yYQKW6vvBaH76ASkqYOQAQ&q="co...
(Leider auch hier keine überzeugende Treffer, nur Do-it-yourself-Foren oder Artikel, die nichts mit dem Thema zu tun haben).

Deshalb bleibe ich lieber beim fachlichen "Nachwischen".

Steuerungseinrichtung nach Anspruch 2, dadurch gekennzeichnet, dass als zweite Stellung zum vorzeitigen Beenden des Nachwischens eine Betriebsstellung genutzt wird, in der üblicherweise das einmalige Wischen der Scheibe ausgelöst wird.
Control device according to claim 2, characterized in that as a second position for early termination of the follow-up wiping operation an operating position is used, in which conventionally the single wipe of the windscreen is initiated.
http://context.reverso.net/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/Nach...


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Note added at 14 Stunden (2018-05-27 10:30:18 GMT)
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Sorry, ich hatte oben nach einem falschen Begriff gesucht.
"teardrop wiping" About 12.800 results (0,43 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?biw=932&bih=602&ei=eIYKW6beFoX1...

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Note added at 23 Stunden (2018-05-27 19:42:39 GMT)
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Natürlich gibt es den Ausdruck " Nachwischen" auch bei Kraftfahrzeugen:

Das Nachwischen, oder auch Tränenwischen genannt, der vorderen Scheibenwischer finde ich völlig überflüssig, und bei den aktuellen Salzstraßen, auch ärgerlich.
Benutze ich die Scheibenwaschanlage ist die Scheibe schön sauber. Sobald die Nachwischfunktion läuft, ist die Scheibe wieder verschmiert. Daher möchte ich diese Funktion am liebsten abschalten.
https://www.sgaf.de/content/nachwischen-scheibenwischer-man-...
(Škoda Fabia)

"5-Sekunden-Nachwischen" nachrüsten
… habe ich eine interessante Funktion entdeckt - das "5-Sekunden-Nachwischen". Nach Betätigung der Scheibenwaschanlage wischen die Wischer nach ca. 5 Sekunden noch einmal automatisch nach.
Wurde lt. meinem Freundlichen ab Modelljahr 2005 eingeführt. Ist diese Funktion nachrüstbar?
https://www.skodacommunity.de/threads/5-sekunden-nachwischen...
(Škoda Fabia)

Kann man die Scheibenwischer-Nachwischfunktion deaktivieren?
https://www.megane-board.de/threads/kann-man-die-scheibenwis...
(Renault Megane)

Bei Volkswagen wird es übrigens "Trickle wiping" genannt.

The wiper system features the following functions:
:
- Tip wiping stage 2
- Prewash
- Follow up wash after wash/wipe function
- Trickle wipe
:
Follow up wash after wash/wipe function
If the wash/wipe function is actuated longer than 0.5 seconds, the follow up wiping function is actuated three times. I actuation time is less, follow up wiping is actuated twice.

Trickle wiping
If the road speed of the vehicle is greater than 2 km/h the wiper function is actuated once mor 5 seconds after the las follow up was (follow up wiping cyle)-
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

Steuerungseinrichtung nach Anspruch 2, dadurch gekennzeichnet, dass als zweite Stellung zum vorzeitigen Beenden des Nachwischens eine Betriebsstellung genutzt wird, in der üblicherweise das einmalige Wischen der Scheibe ausgelöst wird.
Control device according to claim 2, characterized in that as a second position for early termination of the follow-up wiping operation an operating position is used, in which conventionally the single wipe of the windscreen is initiated.

Steuerungseinrichtung nach einem der Ansprüche 1 bis 4, dadurch gekennzeichnet, dass eine Schaltlogik des vorzeitigen Beendens des Nachwischens in dem Steuergerät verwirklicht ist.
Control device according to one of claims 1 to 4, characterized in that a switching logic of the early termination of the follow-up wiping operation is realized in the control unit.
http://context.reverso.net/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/Fach...

Windscreen wipers Conveyance of data bus signals to wiper motor control unit ...
If there is a blockage in area A. follow up wiping is actuated twice.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...
(Touran)

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Annex:

"courtesy wipe" About 13.700 results (0,48 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1250&bih=602&ei=psELW7u_C42...
(Sorry for having mismatched that term with "courtesy wiping". But this is Ford’s terminology rather than Volkswagen’s.)
Note from asker:
Hi Johannes, thanks for your suggestion, but follow-up wiping (cycles) is more for "Nachwischzyklen" this term and Hella uses it.
Wow Johannes,in-depth research here from you, thanks a lot! I did find quite a few of these terms as well, but I found it difficult to fine something official, as mentioned before, Hella uses your term as "Nachwischzyklen" in their documents.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Björn Vrooman : Rev: Thanks for the "courtesy" update. And yes, I've had a look at your refs and follow-up + -ing is still wrong. I'll leave your other answer alone. Also, you stopped posting non-ENS refs a while ago; not sure why they're back.
2 hrs
Very sweeping allegation and false. Read my references!
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+3
3 hrs

courtesy wipe (AKA "the extra wipe")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcD2Rj1mxok
https://owner.ford.com/how-tos/vehicle-features/windshield-a...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_q=windscreen&as_epq...

Sorry, Phil. Not convince by teardrop wiping...

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Note added at 10 days (2018-06-06 10:23:13 GMT)
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This question will be closed automatically by the KudoZ 'robot' on 9th June, i.e. two weeks after posting, providing that at least one of the answers has two agrees. At the moment, this automatic decision will go to 'teardrop wiping' on +4.
Peer comment(s):
agree Björn Vrooman : Well, teardrop is Audi. That VW is cryin' these days, I can understand. But Ford's is a better base for mirroring EN usage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcD2Rj1mxok
13 hrs
Thanks. Also agree with your comment above about 'wipe' as a noun rather than the gerund form 'wiping'.
agree Kim Metzger
18 hrs
Thanks, Kim. Two deeply insightful neutrals below.
neutral David Hollywood : "wipe" is better here, and "teardrop" OK but Phil is not so far off the mark either ... an "ing" here or there in our format is not such a big deal after Phil's post at 23 mins
1 day 1 hr
David, you've lent your support to a truly Denglisch rendition of the term, your reasoning being "Subido por m11akos Skoda Octavia 3" (???).
neutral Johannes Gleim : (Sorry for having mismatched that term with "courtesy wiping". "courtesy wipe" is Ford's term, but we are focussing on Volkswagen.
1 day 10 hrs
You are forgiven for your mismatching glitch. On a separate matter, focussing or focusing?
agree Alison MacG : extra wipe (unless Michael's context also demands the inclusion of an alternative, company-specific term)
3 days 10 hrs
Thanks, Alison. 'Extra wipe' is indeed unambiguous.
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Reference comments

1 day 5 hrs
Reference:

https://www.audi-sport.net › ... › New A3/S3 (8V Chassis)

23 ene. 2015 - Please help, I'm not sure if I'm going mad (madder!) I'm almost sure when I first got my car, it had the "tear drop wipe" function on the front ..
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