Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Behördengänge
English translation:
trips to government offices
German term
Behördengänge
Thank you.
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Steffen Walter
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Feb 8, 2019 10:04: Jonathan MacKerron changed "Language pair" from "English to German" to "German to English"
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Proposed translations
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
, English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
trips to government offices
For the UK, trips to "local authorities"?
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Hasn't anybody told these people it's not the 40s any more?
https://www.mmnews.de/aktuelle-presse/82517-umfrage-behoerde...
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Mair A-W (PhD)
: I'll have to take your word for the US, but "trips" to me is the journey there, not the visit itself...
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It would never occur to me to separate the trip itself from its purpose in this context.
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Björn Vrooman
: You really believe people "go" there? Is it the 1940s?// https://www.personalausweisportal.de/DE/Verwaltung/Dienstean... // There's more than one thing wrong here.
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Yep. I really believe people actually "go" there./I'll leave it...at that (and stick to my guns)/We all moved on, Björn. Perhaps you should, too
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Johanna Timm, PhD
: https://casetext.com/case/frank-v-walker-22
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Thanks, Johanna.
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Clive Phillips
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Thank you, Clive.
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Visit to the authorities
The German version: https://www.uni-goettingen.de/de/104932.html
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writeaway
: https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/human-resources...
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Romania
"Translation is science, skill, art"
Native in: Romanian
Works in: German to Romanian, English to Romanian, Romanian to English, and 2 more.
help with the formalities
Austria
more than thirty years of experience
Native in: German
Works in: Greek to German, English to German, Greek to English, and 5 more.
assistance in visiting the authorities
United Kingdom
navigating the system
https://www.connect-cx.com/youth-homelessness-system-map/
Navigating the system
Dealing with the NHS, social services and other agencies that you may come across, after being diagnosed with a brain tumour, a completely new and intimidating experience.
https://www.thebraintumourcharity.org/understanding-brain-tu...
Navigating the system
Whether seeking services for the person living with dementia or themselves, carers often need a helping hand in navigating the national, state and local service systems.
https://www.aci.health.nsw.gov.au/resources/aged-health/alli...
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Michael Martin want the physical aspect stressed. I can't go along with his idea of 'trips' (maybe with a picnic hamper included) but I could support
doing the rounds of [the various support agencies]
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/doing the rounds
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Hilfe bei Behördengängen = help with trips to government offices
Really? I think I preferred your explanation when you posted the question: "help get their papers done" i.e. help with filling in forms
help with trips to government offices = pushing a wheelchair, booking a taxi, researching bus timetables.
Was it perhaps Mr Martin's suggestion that "navigating the system" could only take place online (not true) that persuaded you? Or the late intervention from the discerning Dr Timm?
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Thomas Pfann
: Nice idea. Gefällt mir gut in diesem Zusammenhang – zumal Behördengänge immer weniger mit einem Ausflug zum Rathaus verbunden sind, sondern am Computer erledigt werden.
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Thank you. 'Trips' fitted asker's context best.
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Björn Vrooman
: An actual quote: “Some of the people we work with haven’t seen their kids in a couple of months, they need I.D., want to get into treatment, or need help navigating the system,” says Derek. https://www.ourplacesociety.com/aboriginal-housing-advocates
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Thank you. 'Trips' fitted asker's context best.
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Mair A-W (PhD)
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Thank you. 'Trips' fitted asker's context best.
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Steffen Walter
: A good idea indeed.
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Thank you. 'Trips' fitted asker's context best.
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Michael Martin, MA
: Partially correct. But you can also navigate the system while sitting at home in front of your laptop. Behörden - gänge means physical trips to those offices./Homeless in NYC: easier to find a place to charge your laptop than a place to sleep.
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A homeless person might have trouble charging their laptop.
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Reference comments
Germany
Top-Notch Service | Direct Clients Only
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
Works in: English to German, German to English, French to German, and 1 more.
Siehe frühere Fragen
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/government-poli...
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/human-resources...
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/management/2951...
Diese Treffer hätten bei der Glossarsuche (nach "Behördengang" und "Behördengänge") eigentlich auftauchen müssen. "Hilfe bei" ließe sich als "help in/with", "assistance with" o. ä. übersetzen.
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Ich führe stets eine Glossarsuche durch, bevor ich überhaupt das Formular zum Abschicken der Frage öffne :-)
| Danke! Irgendwie hat mich proz diesmal nicht darauf hingewiesen, dass es schon Einträge gab. Normalerweise tauchen die auf bevor man die Anfrage abschickt. |
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writeaway
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Björn Vrooman
: Dennoch finde ich die Frage berechtigt. Einträge liegen mehr als 10 Jahre zurück. Ich wäre eh dafür, diese turnusmäßig noch einmal zur Debatte zu stellen. Mancher alte Eintrag ist einfach nur schrecklich. Frühjahrsputz kommt doch. // Sagte ja "mancher" :)
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Na ja, als Ausgangspunkt sind die Antworten auf die früheren Fragen doch schon recht brauchbar.
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philgoddard
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Discussion
3) To be sure, I didn't really like the old suggestions either, visits and whatnot. As I said before, I think your own idea (accompany) was better than the one you chose. Plus, the proposed solution is hardly shorter than what you came up with yourself!
This is a good use of "trips":
"Streamlined processes and online self-service offerings are saving trips to government offices and therefore saving employee time too."
http://www.governing.com/news/state/gt-best-govt-websites-na...
But that's merely about not going there. Another UK link using your very own suggestion:
"We work to build relationships based on trust, engaging with hard to reach individuals and offering them support to access services. As well as helping them access services, we also accompany them to these services, assist with form filling, and help them find temporary or permanent housing."
http://simononthestreets.co.uk/get-involved/campaigns/homele...
Wish you and your husband a good (and not so rainy) weekend.
Best
"Zusätzlich zur Einbindung der Betroffenen bei Beratungsstellen begleiten ehrenamtlich engagierte Paten/innen Menschen mit Wohnungsproblemen. Sie leisten lebenspraktische Hilfestellungen, indem sie zusammen mit den Betroffenen nach Wohnungen suchen, [...], beim Ausfüllen von Anträgen helfen oder bei Behördengängen mit dabei sind."
https://www.germeringerinsel.de/patenschaften.html
You don't go there to get there but because you filled out the form and you need someone else around because there might be some issues you are not aware of. Had to do the same thing when my significant other was still learning basic German. So, this too is demonstrably false.
Johanna's example is unfortunate because it reads "Making additional trips to government agencies to resolve discrepancies..." It states a purpose, exactly as the Duden does.
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Despite this, I will have to downvote for several reasons.
1) "As I said it's about help with going to the 'Behörden' not just help on the computer."
This idea originated with Michael ("...while sitting at home in front of your laptop.").
I said "call" at first and only provided "Online-Behördengänge," since it was still not clear apparently that Germans will use Behördengänge regardless of whether they need to be physically present or not. Aside from your specific context(!), the idea that a Behördengang must involve some kind of walk is demonstrably false.
2) Even in your very specific context, they aren't trying to carry a drunk to the office. One comment (UK) was "...is the journey there, not the visit itself"; another (UK) was "pushing a wheelchair" and another (including my other half, US): "sounds like you're carrying a disabled vet on your shoulders."
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How did you incoirporate "trips to offices" in your sentence?
It's not just Mair; both I and my (American) half agree that this sounds like you're carrying a disabled vet on your shoulders because he can't "make the trip" to the building.
Even in the Duden, it says:
"Gang zu einer Behörde, um dort etwas zu erledigen"
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Behoerdengang
That's why they used it in the link I posted for "Online-..." because the key part is the second half of the sentence, not the first. "Gang," whether or not you actually walk there represents the broader picture of "making claims/filling out applications"; or it's "appointments," as pointed to below.
Best wishes
"We accompany people who are homeless to their health appointments and advocate on their behalf to ensure they understand the information that is being given to them..."
https://www.westminsterhhcp.org/Resources(4)/Directory of Se...
Else, the short solution is this here:
"We support people who face deportation, we advise people about their welfare rights, we help to make benefits
claims,..."
https://www.mannasociety.org.uk/documents/Spring2012.pdf
If you're OK with one of the answers from the old questions, then why not give points for a creative solution this time?
Also, this is close to what yo're asking: "At Groundswell we provide support for people to make and attend health appointments in London and have volunteering opportunities specifically for people who have experience of homelessness."
http://groundswell.org.uk/get-support/homeless-and-need-help...
Best wishes