Cabbage twice cooked is death.

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English term or phrase:	Cabbage twice cooked is death.
Portuguese translation:	Caldo requentado é a morte. / Caldo requentado faz mal ao doente. (PT)
Entered by:	Oliver Simões

13:29 Jul 14, 2023

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English term or phrase: Cabbage twice cooked is death.

Encontrei duas explicações para este provérbio:

1) "According to Hans Schemann's German/English Dictionary of Idioms, 'kohl' is used in several German phrases to indicate rubbish, nonsense or boring crap (I paraphrase). So 'so ein Kohl' ("such a cabbage") means 'what a load of rubbish.' And 'aufgewärmter Kohl' means 'a boring old story' (literally, I guess, 'reheated/warmed over cabbage')."

This certainly seems related, conceptually if not historically, to the English expression "I don't chew my cabbage twice," which is better-attested than the way I first heard it as a lad, "I don't cook my cabbage twice" (when asked to repeat oneself). And this role for cabbage in our discourse is of ancient origin, as Dan has discovered:

"Crambo, earlier crambe, comes from the Latin phrase crambe repetita 'cabbage reheated, re-served,' a phrase in Juvenal’s 'Seventh Satire' ('Reheated cabbage kills teachers') referring to unimaginative writing. The Latin crambe is a borrowing from Greek krámpa, a kind of cabbage. Crambo, the rhyming game, entered English in the mid-17th century; crambe, inferior rhyme, in the early 17th." As Ramsay (1918) has it, Juvenal goes on to say "Served up again and again, the cabbage is the death of the unhappy master!" And Juvenal identifies as a Greek proverb, “Dis kramb thanatos" (twice-cooked cabbage kills us).

More from Dan:

"Cassell's Dictionary of Proverbs", by David Pickering (2001).

Entry:
cabbage twice cooked is death[b] (Greek) Some things, like cabbage, should be discarded if not consumed or otherwise dealt with at once...

2) Some Cabbage Chemistry or ~ or Why does cabbage "stink" when it is cooking?

Modern science has explained such emissions as a release of hydrogen sulfide. n fact, the longer cabbage is cooked, the greater the amount of hydrogen sulfide produced. This is not exactly news as there is an ancient Greek saying "Cabbage twice cooked is death." Cooks advise boiling cabbage with a piece of chili pepper "to diminish the unpleasant odor." Despite these olfactory drawbacks, cabbage has been quite popular for the last 2,500 years. -- The Pickled Pig, Facebook

Existe algum equivalente em PT?

L2: PT-Br
Registro: proverbial

Oliver Simões KudoZ activity Questions: 1105 (2 open) (3 without valid answers) (227 closed without grading) Answers: 3435 United States
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Summary of answers provided

Bater na mesma tecla

Júlia Castro

o feitiço pode virar contra o feiticeiro

Clauwolf

Para bom entendedor, meia palavra basta

Leandro Silva

"Errar é humano, persistir no erro é burrice."

Flávia Tróglio

Discussion entries: 5

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1 hr confidence:

cabbage twice cooked is death. "Errar é humano, persistir no erro é burrice."

Explanation:
Just a suggestion, making a parallel with "não vou repetir duas vezes (o que acabei de dizer)"...

Flávia Tróglio
Brazil
Local time: 13:02
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 4

Notes to answerer

Asker: Não, de forma nenhuma. Essa que você sugeriu equivale a "He wrongfully blames the sea who suffers shipwreck twice". Thanks for trying.

2 hrs confidence:

Bater na mesma tecla

Explanation:
Considerando que "cabbage twice cooked is death" e "I don't cook my cabbage twice" significam que o locutor não quer repetir-se, acredito que a tradução mais próxima, mas ainda não exata, seja "bater na mesma tecla", que significa insistir no assunto ou em algo.

Example sentence(s):

Já falei mil vezes, não vou mais ficar batendo na mesma tecla.

Júlia Castro
Brazil
Local time: 13:02
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

Portuguese

Notes to answerer

Asker: bater na mesma tecla: harp on the same string. Veja comentário no DB.

2 hrs confidence:

cabbage twice cooked is death. o feitiço pode virar contra o feiticeiro

Explanation:
:) O único que me vem a respeito

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Note added at 2 hrs (2023-07-14 15:40:31 GMT)
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Ou seja, se um cozinheiro comer algo mal feito poderá se dar mal

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Note added at 2 hrs (2023-07-14 15:41:44 GMT)
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Mas não creio que haja registro em pt de um provérbio tão "localizado" como esse

Clauwolf
Local time: 13:02
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

Portuguese
PRO pts in category: 83

Notes to answerer

Asker: Já tenho traduções para "o feitiço pode virar contra o feiticeiro": "Chickens come home to roost" e "The boot/shoe is on the other foot".

Asker: Provavelmente não existe um equivalente. Obrigado de qualquer forma.

8 hrs confidence:

Para bom entendedor, meia palavra basta

Explanation:
Não existe uma correspondência, coloquei essa por ser a que mais se aproxima de sentido, mas realmente não temos um ditado popular que se refira a não gostar de se repetir.

Leandro Silva
Brazil
Local time: 13:02
Meets criteria
Native speaker of:

Portuguese

Notes to answerer

Asker: Já tenho esta no dicionário: A word to the wise is enough/sufficient. Se não há correspondência, acho melhor não incluir no dicionário. Obrigado pelo seu feedback.

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