Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
patrimoine 'noir'
English translation:
dark heritage
Added to glossary by
Michele Fauble
Oct 13, 2005 08:48
18 yrs ago
French term
patrimoine 'noir'
French to English
Social Sciences
Anthropology
This is a doc talking about the dark side of heritage: cock-fighting.
I need to find a way of getting round the use of 'black' heritage, which can be confused with the heritage of black populations.
"Le cas d’un patrimoine « noir » : les combats de coqs dans le Nord de la France"
"Une partie de ces pratiques se rattache à des comportements jugés « inquiétants », irrationnels, voire même « dangereux » : c’est le cas des combats de coqs, mais on pourrait citer le phénomène des voyants et des envoûteurs, la sorcellerie au village, certaines formes de chasse, tout ce qui pourrait faire partie d’un patrimoine « noir »"
"Mais doit-on diviser le patrimoine en un versant blanc et un versant noir : le premier, digne d’intérêt (beffrois, machines agricoles, jeux traditionnels) et dont la protection est encouragée ; le second, néfaste ; qu’il convient de faire disparaître ?"
I'd be grateful for any ideas you have on how to avoid the white/black image...
I need to find a way of getting round the use of 'black' heritage, which can be confused with the heritage of black populations.
"Le cas d’un patrimoine « noir » : les combats de coqs dans le Nord de la France"
"Une partie de ces pratiques se rattache à des comportements jugés « inquiétants », irrationnels, voire même « dangereux » : c’est le cas des combats de coqs, mais on pourrait citer le phénomène des voyants et des envoûteurs, la sorcellerie au village, certaines formes de chasse, tout ce qui pourrait faire partie d’un patrimoine « noir »"
"Mais doit-on diviser le patrimoine en un versant blanc et un versant noir : le premier, digne d’intérêt (beffrois, machines agricoles, jeux traditionnels) et dont la protection est encouragée ; le second, néfaste ; qu’il convient de faire disparaître ?"
I'd be grateful for any ideas you have on how to avoid the white/black image...
Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
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23 mins
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dark heritage
'Dark heritage' is often used of those practices that are held in low regard.
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Note added at 25 mins (2005-10-13 09:14:04 GMT)
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... about cockfighting, New Mexico’s dark "heritage" that refuses to die. ...
www.desertexposure.com/200503/200503_cockfighting.html
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Note added at 48 mins (2005-10-13 09:37:52 GMT)
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The European Union's bright heritage of culture and traditions ...
myeurope.eun.org/eun.org2/eun/en/myEurope_News/content.cfm?ov=31036&lang=en
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Note added at 25 mins (2005-10-13 09:14:04 GMT)
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... about cockfighting, New Mexico’s dark "heritage" that refuses to die. ...
www.desertexposure.com/200503/200503_cockfighting.html
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Note added at 48 mins (2005-10-13 09:37:52 GMT)
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The European Union's bright heritage of culture and traditions ...
myeurope.eun.org/eun.org2/eun/en/myEurope_News/content.cfm?ov=31036&lang=en
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Vicky Papaprodromou
: An even clearer example for 'dark heritage/history' at: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/01/25/france.holocaust/
12 mins
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thanks
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agree |
Bourth (X)
: Abs. no prob. with any supernatural connotations since the text goes on to include those. I'd throw in religion while I'm at it ... Keep away from the Dark Side. May the Force be with you.
28 mins
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thanks
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agree |
Jocelyne S
30 mins
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thanks
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agree |
Anna Quail
: dark heritage, absolutely. I find it more difficult to translate "le versant blanc"... the lighter side, as opposed to the darker side?
33 mins
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thanks
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agree |
Elizabeth Lyons
1 hr
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thanks
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agree |
French Foodie
1 hr
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thanks
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neutral |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: Michele..I'm afraid this is making my ears ring..darker side...a style thing, IMO
9 hrs
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thanks ('dark' + 'heritage' is a frequent collocation)
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Comment: "Thanks for all your help"
9 mins
infamous/discreditable
unedifying, shocking ....
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Note added at 11 mins (2005-10-13 09:00:44 GMT)
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disreputable/reputable
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Note added at 52 mins (2005-10-13 09:41:45 GMT)
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Maybe you could also use 'good' and 'bad', keeping the inverted commas ...
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Note added at 11 mins (2005-10-13 09:00:44 GMT)
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disreputable/reputable
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Note added at 52 mins (2005-10-13 09:41:45 GMT)
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Maybe you could also use 'good' and 'bad', keeping the inverted commas ...
1 hr
sinister traditions
Sinistra, originally meaning left.
4 hrs
shameful side of our heritage
another possibility.
+2
5 hrs
dark side or darker side of our heritage
not dark; that is not good English; dark side
IMO, the author is a bit bongo...
IMO, the author is a bit bongo...
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Nick Lingris
2 hrs
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other we get dark matter::dark heritage...ha ha
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agree |
sporran
6 hrs
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This is indeed a matter of dark and light...ha ha..
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8 hrs
murky heritage
heritage or tradition(s)
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