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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

toux creuse

English translation:

hollow cough

Added to glossary by Bashiqa
Jul 3, 2019 13:42
4 yrs ago
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French term

toux creuse

French to English Medical Medical (general) patient examination
Context: toux creuse avec secretions colorees
Note; Canadian French

All sorts of "toux" apart from creuse.
TIA Chris
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 hollow cough
4 +2 deep cough
4 +1 cough with chest retractions / intercostal retractions
References
Sound of the cough
Toux creuse rattling cough
about dogs

Discussion

Bashiqa (asker) Jul 4, 2019:
@ All i`ve sent doc to client with list of queries, this being top of the list. I suspect its use is very local, hence no entry in GDT. I`ll wait for client to get back to me. In meantime I`ll continue with my own very productive cough and go to the doctor`s.
B D Finch Jul 4, 2019:
@Liz That's very weird, because I can find nearly 2000 examples:https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q="toux cre...
liz askew Jul 4, 2019:
The weird thing is I can find no examples of toux creuse on the net!!
B D Finch Jul 3, 2019:
@Bashiqa Surely "avec secretions colorees" covers it being a productive cough? So, "toux creuse" is additional information about what it sounds like.
Bashiqa (asker) Jul 3, 2019:
@ All Bit more info.
Come across abbreviation - cba which I assume is chronic bronchitis and asthma
Productive cough perhaps fits the bill.
pennylyd Jul 3, 2019:
toux creuse et souvent productive https://hvdseigneuries.com/la-toux-de-chenil/
pennylyd Jul 3, 2019:
toux creuse https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=L6xlexlSJY8C&pg=PA31&lpg...
Bashiqa (asker) Jul 3, 2019:
@ All no sign of toux creuse in GDT.
Just been to pharmacy where I live in France, she can give me references for all sorts of "toux" but not "creuse".

Proposed translations

+2
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hollow cough

I've certainly heard this term - and it seems about 7 or 8 times as common on the web as toux creuse

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Used in Jane https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/apr/28/guardian...
and to confirm this:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Jane_Eyre.djvu/46
If it was good enough for Charlotte Bronte, it's good enough for me!

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Jane Eyre!

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https://www.wordreference.com/fren/creuse

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True - but it is still used today - mostly I've found examples in homepoathic medicine e.g. https://www.fernsvitamins.com/vitamins/MBi/expectorant.html
abd it's also mentioned in this advert for wellbutrin (burptoprion) http://www.word-bank.com/wellbutrin/
This seems to indicate it is still a recognised term - though how you translate it will obviously depend on your context. As a pharmacist, I'd be happy with 'hollow cough' - if a patient described that to me, I'd know what they meant.

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I meant buproprion of course! Trying to do two things at once.
Note from asker:
Any references to support this answer? Thanks, Chris.
What was used by Jane Eyre does not necessarily fit in with a medical translation today.
Thank you, Chris.
Peer comment(s):
agree Adrian MM.
13 mins
agree B D Finch
2 hrs
neutral liz askew : hmm, can't find any bona fide medical refs.
3 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Confirmed by client"
+1
30 mins

cough with chest retractions / intercostal retractions

Creuse - L'inspiration s'accompagne de signes de rétraction intercostale, sus et sous-sternale. On observe un battement des ailes du nez. On dit que l'enfant "creuse" pour respirer.

Intercostal retractions are also known as chest retractions, which are mostly noticeable in coughing children due to the structure of their chest - the areas below the ribs, between the ribs, and in the neck sink in as a child inhales (breathes in). This "sinking in" is associated with the literal "hollow" meaning of creuse.
Reference:

http://www.doctissimo.fr/html/sante/encyclopedie/sa_789_bronchiolites.htm

https://www.webmd.com/lung/lung-chest-retraction

Peer comment(s):
neutral B D Finch : The "sinking in" in your reference is on an inhalation, but coughing can only be on an exhalation!//See my reference comment.
1 hr
And yet "toux creuse" only seems to appear in the specific context of respiratory disease in the child: "toux creuse" and intercostal retractions also appear here: http://publications.msss.gouv.qc.ca/msss/fichiers/guide-gard...
agree El Mehdi Hakkou : This definitely fits more. "Hollow cough" as a medical terminology is very uncommon
20 hrs
Thank you Latifa!
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+2
7 hrs

deep cough

This is how I'd translate it. Multiple references on the Web which seem to be consistent with the context provided.
Peer comment(s):
agree abe(L)solano : en plus, il y a des secretions: https://www.quora.com/When-you-have-a-deep-cough-with-phlegm... https://www.health24.com/Experts/Question/Uncontrollable-con...
11 hrs
Merci
agree liz askew : This is the only one I would agree with
14 hrs
Thank you
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Reference comments

2 hrs
Reference:

Sound of the cough

These references seem to use "toux creuse" or "tousser creux" to the sound made by the cough, which could be heard by anybody, and not to a physical hollowing out that might be seen and described by a doctor performing a clinical examination.

https://www.mamanpourlavie.com/forum/.../toux-creuse-product...
Je consulte ou pas? Il a commencé à tousser creux du jour au lendemain ça va faire bientôt 2 semaines (vendredi). Il tousse surtout en se ...

https://archive.org/stream/b20401206/b20401206_djvu.txt
Définition parfaitement exacte; je ne la paraphrase pas, comme son auteur se ...... Toux creuse jour et nuit, douleur dans la poitrine comme s'il y avait une plaie, ...

moulin.chauffour.free.fr/patois/patois.htm
Tingler : Faire entendre une toux creuse.

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Canadian French too:

https://sencanada.ca/content/sen/committee/371/.../malherbe-...
à la définition de principes directeurs pour une politique publique sur les ...... Mon mal de vivre me réveillait plusieurs fois la nuit, secoué par une toux creuse.
Reference:

https://www.mamanpourlavie.com/forum/.../toux-creuse-productive

https://archive.org/stream/b20401206/b20401206_djvu.txt

Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree pennylyd : That's my understanding too. It's a cough coming from the chest rather than the throat which sounds 'hollow'.
4 mins
Thanks Penny. Yes, it's descriptive of the sound, and that can then be used in diagnosis.
agree Michael Barnett : I agree. Hollow, rattling, deep. It refers to the sound.
11 hrs
Thanks Michael.
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11 hrs
Reference:

Toux creuse rattling cough

Hydrastis Canadensis 6X HPUS: rattling/tickling cough,
https://www.hylands.ca/products/hylands-4-kids-nighttime-syr...

Hydrastis Canadensis 6X HPUS: Toux creuse/irritante
https://www.hylands.ca/fr/products/hylands-4-kids-nighttime-...
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Reference:

about dogs

https://hvdseigneuries.com/la-toux-de-chenil/

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La toux de chenil est caractérisée par une toux creuse et souvent productive. Les propriétaires confondront souvent les expectoras avec des vomissements.

Toux de chenil — Wikipédia


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toux_de_chenil

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La toux de chenil, également appelée trachéobronchite infectieuse ou trachéobronchite contagieuse, est une maladie canine extrêmement contagieuse caractérisée ... Dans un chenil touché par la maladie, la mortalité (le plus souvent par ... Ils peuvent être accompagnés par des antitussifs si la touxn'est pas productive.

https://www.purina.co.uk/dogs/health-and-nutrition/...to...o...

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Kennel cough is a common respiratory infection in dogs that causes a harsh, hacking cough. Read our guide to the causes & treatments to help your dog.


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Support for my "agree"


Sirop pour la toux - fait maison! - Katto World
kattoworld.blogspot.com/2009/.../sirop-pour-la-toux-fait-maison.ht...
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... que ce sirop a empêché la toux creuse à Cole de se transformer en bronchite. ... that this syrup prevented Cole's deep cough to transform into a bronchitis.
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