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| ficticious names are not weird | Nov 16, 2006 |
Hi there ,
These are like a translation street and many translation shops there with varying emphasis and their own chosen preferred names like the designer shops. One has to enter the shop to get to know the person. Isn´t that so in real life? I can´t count in designer area a few thousand names, architects, builders, software gaints or others they all use a name that fits the market mind. Best Brandis
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Astrid Elke Johnson wrote: since all professionals, in any profession, wish their name to become known, and therefore use it). Astrid
Bit of a sweeping statement there Astrid, don't you think? Some of us are so well known, we prefer to muddy the waters sometimes.
BTW, I see no reason whatsoever not to claim ProZ meetings, conferences, subscriptions, etc. as business expenses, as certainly in your case, they're business-motivated. Or do you think you pay too little tax? If so, would you like to pay some of mine?
Robin
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| Internet is not secure | Nov 16, 2006 |
It is a matter of security and privacy.
It is continuously being warned in mass-media, about the miss-usage of personal information on Internet.
They strongly advice not to put on internet sites personal information (including, age, adress, aso.)
People take these information and use them in various ways like false handle on ebay or similar e-markets aso.
I remember the case of a young girl who being in a scholar sports camp or sohas built together with her colleagues the... See more It is a matter of security and privacy.
It is continuously being warned in mass-media, about the miss-usage of personal information on Internet.
They strongly advice not to put on internet sites personal information (including, age, adress, aso.)
People take these information and use them in various ways like false handle on ebay or similar e-markets aso.
I remember the case of a young girl who being in a scholar sports camp or sohas built together with her colleagues there an internet site and put some personal information of them there (name, age, adress aso.)
Somebody took these information and used them to open an ebay account doing e-commerce.
One day the girl receives an invoice at home of a huge amount for goos she has buyed there. In reality that girl never was on ebay. Her parents had to fight in justice to solve the problem.
They can take even fotos to use them for I don't know what things.
Besides, there are personal reasons people do not want to put their real names on internet, so that they can be found by people they don't wish.
Internet is a public book, everybody can use it. Are you actually aware of this?
Now if you go in group like Proz and verify your identity, this may remain (hopefully) only in that group, or the at the person who verifies it.
Even if you at powwows or private meet and have contacts and know each other's real name, on internet it must not show.
I don't know what difference it does make for outsourcers of jobs.
They can write on your username and private get more information, if it comes to cooperation.
People can read everything about you on internet and use it for positive, buit also for negative purposes. Even fora postings.
I often think about the thing that internet is a real good thing, but not secure.
I will never understand and accept those spam-mails and the way people get in the private mail accounts, to even get the name of the person or worse. They even get to send mails from one's account.
Actually we have nothing private anymore, we are like dolls in a window, as we are totally checked and registered from phone to internet ID of the computer, prints, pictures, financial accounts, handy location, registrations with and more details and steps on internet sites aso.
And finally, we have to think of the political matters of many countries and the fear of those people.
It is a matter we have to respect. There are people who are more shy and coutious due to different lif experience.
ProZ.com with all respect for it, can not grant our protection/security on internet. It is an open site, where everybody has access to information (not only serious outsourcers).
Please, I don't mean to offend Proz.com, it is only a reality and nobody can blame it for this guilt.
Astrid: we are a lot of professionals here even behind our aliases, don't feel embarassed.
Finally let's also think about so many writers and artists using aliases. They have their reasons and aliases certainly don't make them less professional. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | don't judge the professionality of a colleague by her/his nickname | Nov 16, 2006 |
Forgive my harshness, but I find Astrid's comments a tad diminishing towards a lot of the colleagues of this community who have chosen a nickname.
What has a nickname to do with the qualities of a translator? Why feeling embarassed or laugh at these colleagues who have adopted a nickname? A translator who chooses a nickname rather than showing his/her real name, will have the right motivations to do so and for this reason he/she must be respected. Period.
In this commu... See more Forgive my harshness, but I find Astrid's comments a tad diminishing towards a lot of the colleagues of this community who have chosen a nickname.
What has a nickname to do with the qualities of a translator? Why feeling embarassed or laugh at these colleagues who have adopted a nickname? A translator who chooses a nickname rather than showing his/her real name, will have the right motivations to do so and for this reason he/she must be respected. Period.
In this community there are lots of extremely capable and intelligent professionals who have chosen to opt for a nickname, but I don't feel "embarassed", I don't find them ridiculous... why? These colleagues show their intelligence and professionality every time they help other colleagues. Their constant interventions keep up the good name and the high standards of Proz.com
I would feel HONORED to be given the chance to meet these people personally, nicknames and all: I admire their intelligence and professionality.... To judge simply from a nickname is a sign of narrowness of mentality.
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| Well said, Ruxi | Nov 17, 2006 |
You have said exactly what I believe.
| | | | | AA (Anonymous Amateurs) vs AP (Anonymous Professionals) | Nov 17, 2006 |
There are many reasons why somebody might decide to use a fictitious name. I am one of them and I will not disclose my reasons, since I do not have to justify myself to anybody.
Maybe I will change my name in the future, maybe not. It is my choice and my prerogative.
Astrid Elke Johnson wrote:
anonymous amateurs (definitely amateurs, since all professionals, in any profession, wish their name to become known, and therefore use it)
I know a lot of professionals with 'weird' nicknames, and they are very far from being the amateurs that you describe based solely on your prejudices.
I do believe that stating
There are business disadvantages for the rest of us as a result
is both false and deceiving.
However, it rubs off on all of us if Proz.com conferences and annual membership fees cannot be written down in the books as business expenses, because of the unprofessional image of Proz.com, created by the high number of anonymous amateurs
You cannot claim your conference trips and ProZ.com membership annual fee as business expenses because…..of our weird nicknames? Are you kidding?
Anyway, simply changing your accountant can easily solve the issue.
Best regards,
Texjax AP
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| | | | | Agree with Henry Hinds | Nov 17, 2006 |
I most definitely agree with Henry on this one. What baffles me the most are those persons who obviously devote massive amounts of energy to Kudoz who do not use their real name. Perhaps they are like CMJ in that they simply participate for the love of language and translating (or maybe for the proverbial "love of the game") but my distinct impression is that some of these persons are younger and not particularly well established professionally, in which case they would appear to be shooting the... See more I most definitely agree with Henry on this one. What baffles me the most are those persons who obviously devote massive amounts of energy to Kudoz who do not use their real name. Perhaps they are like CMJ in that they simply participate for the love of language and translating (or maybe for the proverbial "love of the game") but my distinct impression is that some of these persons are younger and not particularly well established professionally, in which case they would appear to be shooting themselves in the foot by *not* using their real names.
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1. I don't care for Proz as business and I'm here for the love of language, new friends and forum chats. I only pay my membership dues because I occupy too much forum space:-) Yes, I do bid or simply send my resume to some oursourcers, total of 4 serious bids and 3 outsourcers in 4.5 years, when something short-term and of exceptional interest turns up. Couple of times the outcome was terrific.
2. If someone wants to ridicule "nicknamers" I'm always ready to ridicule those who seri... See more 1. I don't care for Proz as business and I'm here for the love of language, new friends and forum chats. I only pay my membership dues because I occupy too much forum space:-) Yes, I do bid or simply send my resume to some oursourcers, total of 4 serious bids and 3 outsourcers in 4.5 years, when something short-term and of exceptional interest turns up. Couple of times the outcome was terrific.
2. If someone wants to ridicule "nicknamers" I'm always ready to ridicule those who seriously count on Proz as the source of living. I certainly can't make mine with the prevailing rates offered in Ru-En pair.
3. I'm being contacted through my Proz profile by potential clients from all over the world (too bad in most cases I turn them down due to the lack of time and total inability to enter into new long-term committments). Apparently they are not bothered with my nickname. Why are you? Logically, my unprofessional behaviour simply means that one more competitor is out of the way:-)
Cheers,
Irene
PS - Thank you, Lilian and Ruxi. I certainly do not imply that you meant me:-), I thank you for the point of view indicative of free spirits.
Write-off problem is a real treat:-) How about payment support documentation? Astrid, do you believe we do it under nicknames as well? BTW, I also have a nickname to log in to my online banking sites. Some very serious people take it from there and Proz gets its money:-)
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A colleague mentioned checking something "on ProZ." She uses the "Pro-Zee" pronunciation, so when I Googled it (not wanting to display my ignorance by simply asking her!), it wasn't hard to find the right site.
The first time I visited, I registered, mainly because I didn't realize I could actually use the site without registering. But because I didn't yet know what I was getting into, I gave a username rather than my real name. (BTW, you can also see me as janetranslates on eBay, i... See more A colleague mentioned checking something "on ProZ." She uses the "Pro-Zee" pronunciation, so when I Googled it (not wanting to display my ignorance by simply asking her!), it wasn't hard to find the right site.
The first time I visited, I registered, mainly because I didn't realize I could actually use the site without registering. But because I didn't yet know what I was getting into, I gave a username rather than my real name. (BTW, you can also see me as janetranslates on eBay, if you wish!)
By the time I was familiar enough with ProZ to know that I would eventually become what used to be called "a platinum member," I already had KudoZ points, friends with whom I exchanged emails, and a lot of colleagues who knew me as janetranslates. Some of them called me Janet--a problem I solved by uppercasing to JaneTranslates.
So, a while back (maybe after reading Henry Hinds' forum), I thought I'd change to my real name. After all, it's clearly stated on my profile for anyone to see. But I wanted the username to follow in parentheses, at least for a few weeks, so that my colleagues would know that Jane Ramírez is JaneTranslates. I tried to change, but got an automated message saying my new username:
Jane Ramírez (JaneTranslates)
was too long. After a lengthy exchange on the support site, involving Henry himself (THE monomonikered Henry, not Hinds, I mean), it turned out I had 4 options:
1. Stick to JaneTranslates
2. Invent a totally new username, within the 16-character limits.
3. Use my real name, according to ProZ files, which happens to match my credit card and the driver's license I used to get verified: H. Jane Barnes de Ramirez.
4. Lose my ID validation.
I didn't want to do #3 because my professional name, which appears on books and films that I translate, is Jane Ramirez (with or without accent mark), so that's the one I want known. Of the other 3 options, #1 seemed best. So that's why I'm still JaneTranslates: I want you all to know me!
As to my picture, or rather lack of one: No, Henry (this time I mean Hinds), I'm not ashamed of my countenance! But I am ashamed of being digital-photography illiterate. And I'd rather come to ProZ and read forums than read user manuals for cameras. Someday I'll get a picture up there! Meanwhile: I'm female, Anglo-Saxon (Ramírez comes from my husband), tall, short-haired, sadly overweight, I wear glasses, my eyes are blue, and my hair is dark blonde with lots of gray, since I'm 57 years old and won't be bothered with coloring my hair.
Anything else you want to know, just ask!
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| | | | | These are personal choices, who are we to comment | Nov 17, 2006 |
If people decide to use nicknames or stand-by photos, it is their decision. Why should we pry into their motives?
Having said that, I have put up my real name and picture in my profile. Many people have complained that Balasubramaniam, is really a bit of a long winder, and shouldn't I abbreviate it a bit. I have refused all such requests, not unreasonably I hope. If my name provides exercise to the fingers of those who use it, or provides some typing practice, people should be grate... See more If people decide to use nicknames or stand-by photos, it is their decision. Why should we pry into their motives?
Having said that, I have put up my real name and picture in my profile. Many people have complained that Balasubramaniam, is really a bit of a long winder, and shouldn't I abbreviate it a bit. I have refused all such requests, not unreasonably I hope. If my name provides exercise to the fingers of those who use it, or provides some typing practice, people should be grateful to my parents for having given me such a long name. But many people take the liberty of shortening it to Bala, and in some extreme cases to B., and I have shown good grace to not complain, why should I, if they choose to deprive themselves of the above-mentioned advantages.
For Indians, especially Hindi and Urdu speaking Indians, nicknames are the norm rather than the exception. Most of our poets are known by their nicknames rather than their real names. Need I mention Nirala (real name Suryakant Tripathi), Bachchan (Harivanshrai), Ugra (Bechan Sharma), etc.
Also, appending names to creative productions like paintings, poems, and plays seems to be an European and recent concept. The problem with many of our ancient literature and works of art is that their progenitors have not even cared to append their names to their masterpieces. No one knows who wrote the Vedas, the Upanishads and the Puranas, or made the paintings of Ajanta or Ellora. Later day people have to play Sherlock Holmes to find out more about the author of their favourite paintings or writings.
May be the cats, dogs, oceans and cartoons among us have taken a cue from these ancients and prefer anonymity to fame. ▲ Collapse
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Astrid Elke Johnson wrote:
I, for one, feel too embarrassed to write down a Proz.com conference as a "business trip" when about 50% of my colleagues have weird, fictitious names. I have even been to a previous conference where at least one of the speakers had a fictitious name. I think it gives a laughable impression. However, it rubs off on all of us if Proz.com conferences and annual membership fees cannot be written down in the books as business expenses, because of the unprofessional image of Proz.com, created by the high number of anonymous amateurs (definitely amateurs, since all professionals, in any profession, wish their name to become known, and therefore use it).
Astrid
I'm sorry Astrid, but I fail to see where the problem is. Do you really believe that the tax authorities bother to check the names of the other participants or that they will log on to proz.com to see whether the site has a "professional image"?
You attended a professional conference and you're entitled to state all expenses related to that conference in your tax return. End of story.
Sorry to be so blunt, but to say that "there are business disadvantages" for users stating their real name is plain ridiculous. If you're "too embarrassed" to write down a Proz.com conference as a business expense, you need to develop a thicker skin.
I also resent your comment that anyone using a nickname must be an amateur.
For various reasons, I have no interest in generating business via proz.com. I'm here to ask the occasional kudoz question and to help other people who ask questions. That's it. Does that make me an amateur? Would the quality (such as it is) of my contributions on this site improve if I used my real name?
Nix für ungut.
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| hiding behind an alias | Nov 17, 2006 |
Robert Forstag wrote:
my distinct impression is that some of these persons are younger and not particularly well established professionally, in which case they would appear to be shooting themselves in the foot by *not* using their real names.
Bob
I beg to disagree on this point, Bob. In fact, although you may be right about a handful of people out there, in general the younger people who use aliases are the ones who tend to ask questions rather than answering them. They tend to masquerade behind another name so, if their clients were to venture on to the site, it wouldn't necessarily be immediately apparent that they need more than "a little bit of help from their friends" to get by.
Would you want the whole world to know exactly who you were under such circumstances? I ask you.
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| Ease, convenience and direct message underlying in different name | Nov 17, 2006 |
Some real names are hard to remember or difficult to pronounce. In view of global reach of Internet, all persons who come across may not be familiar with all names of different geographical locations.
Real name does not give any meaning about the characteristics of the real person. An invented name that is thought of as appropriate may convey more meaning.
Hiding the identity may be one of the reasons. But most users may have overwhelmingly different objective.
| | | | | I most definitely agree???? | Nov 17, 2006 |
Henry Hinds wrote:
3.- Some also go to the extreme of using a picture of someone else in their profile.
However, if they have a verified ID, then it should be mandatory to use their correct identity and picture in their profile.
There have been notable cases of persons abusing the system while masquerading under false identities.
Finally, would you give a job to someone called "katzgalore" with a picture of a cat, a symbol, a cartoon character or a child in their profile?
Would you extend them credit?
I, for one, would not.
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How is it possible to calculate the age from a name or are you referring to the members who are not showing their real pictures. Your picture definitely supports the impression that you do not belong to this young and not so experienced group.
And I do not completely understand your agreement with Henry on this one.
BTW photography has been available for more than 100 years, you should consider updating your picture from time to time.
Siegfried
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| You're not the only one, CMJ | Nov 17, 2006 |
CMJ_Trans wrote:
I'm here for my love of language. I have nothing to sell. I work in a different field. I have long-standing and permanent clients for my particular field of work.
My situation to a T
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