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Yasutomo Kanazawa 
Japan
Local time: 11:24
Member (2005)
English to Japanese
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TOPIC STARTER | Nothing could be done at the present moment | Aug 23, 2009 |
Stanislaw Czech wrote: Yasutomo Kanazawa wrote:
I know that like you wrote above, KudoZ is a place to provide high-quality professional help to askers. But it's one of the various opinions which people have. I believe that there are people who take KudoZ similiar to going to the tracks every weekend placing bets on horses and "win some lose some" game. I'm sure that there are also people who share the same opinion as yours and mine. So I wouldn't go further into this topic.
[Edited at 2009-08-22 12:23 GMT] I don't think that it is a matter of opinion. Kudoz answeres are not horses, they are hands stretched to someone in need. If you want to improve your language skills track interesting answers and analyse answers given by others - not give yours if you yourself say that you are not competent enough to be sure whether your answer is correct or no. If you have many dictionaries and like to suggest answers found in them - than maybe it would be better to use "Reference" option - that is exactly what this function is for and if you want to help but are not sure of the answer - using this function is the best option. Have you thought about people who may rely on your answer and may not be aware of your own doubts? When it comes to the issue of stalker - if this "stalker" disagrees with questions in language pairs not listed in his/her profile than I guess you can ask moderator to remove them? Best Regards Stanislaw
Thank you for your comments and suggestions.
Like you wrote, I know that KudoZ questions and answers are not the same as betting on horses, but some people consider KudoZ a game, since even if you contribute by giving the correct answer with all the peer agrees, that doesn't mean that points are awarded to you. And some people consider giving the fastest answer, in a minute or two the moment the question is posted is what counts, entering only a without giving any references, opinions, links, proofs, etc. to back up one's answwers. In my case, I don't contribute to questions which are literally out of my field, for example, medical, pharmaceutical, mathematics, etc. even in my strongest working language pairs.
Regarding reference options, I do use them, especially when I am not sure how to phrase the answer in the target language. I believe you might have also experienced this, where you understand the source text and want to give an answer but can't find a good wording for it. That's when I use the reference options, or I give up and later go back to the question to see what kind of answers were given.
As long as the asker believes that the answer I contributed seems to fit in their context, the doubts I may have has nothing to do, IMHO. As long as the asker feels that my answer is the best, then it's done. Or do you never contribute to questions where you have a shred of doubt? I see many people, including myself, guessing answers, because the asker has not provided enough context when asking. And they usually give a CL of 3 at the most (in my case 2 or 1).
And last of all, for the stalker issue, I don't think that would help because it's not against the rules to enter peer comments even if they are not in one's working language. I have contributed to some questions which were not my working language pairs, and I think some do too, except that IMO (especially in my case) feel that they are not competent enough to claim them as their working pairs. I've accessed your profile, and I've seen your working language pairs, and if I'm not mistaken, I recognize your name from KudoZ which I've participated in the past receiving agrees from you. But according to my profile and your profile, there is no link which connects you and me in the KudoZ working pair. Then how come I recognize your name? I think the answer is that there is a common pair not listed on your profile which you contribute (including entering peer comments). So, just as an example, if "you" were stalking me, would it be possible to submit a support ticket telling that a person called Stanislaw is stalking and harassing me in language pairs which he does not work in? It doesn't work that way. The present standard of the KudoZ site rules is that as long as the peer comments are in line with pure linguistic comments, there's nothing that could be done.
| | | | | Out of the question | Aug 23, 2009 |
GILLES MEUNIER wrote:
May be this person is in competition with you for jobs (in the same language pair) ?
or is it purely personal ?
If he sends you rude e-mails, you can block the access to your mailbox....
We are putting this person in jail when we still don't know about his/her motives to check Yasumoto's questions. Let's clarify this first, before jumping to conclusions.
| | | | | Clarify it with the right person for God's sake! | Aug 23, 2009 |
Unfortunately "stalking" is an accusation some people use and never prove. It's very sad indeed. So Yasumoto, for God's sake, please email this person once for all about your concerns and clarify the matter with this person before we all spent time discussing something that could be perfectly inexistent. Thank you in advance!
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Angela Dickson (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:24
French to English
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Yasutomo Kanazawa wrote: And some people consider giving the fastest answer, in a minute or two the moment the question is posted is what counts, entering only a without giving any references, opinions, links, proofs, etc. to back up one's answwers.
This is an opinion I have seen several times here, and while I don't for a minute wish to suggest that giving the fastest answer is what counts, I would like to suggest that finding the references to back up a given answer might be construed as being the asker's job, as it is he or she who is doing the translation job.
I do answer the odd Kudoz question. I specialise in just one area of translation and in just one language pair, so there are things I "just know" (by no means everything, but I do have quite a bit of knowledge at my fingertips). If I have time, I will find some kind of demonstration that the answer I suggest is correct. If I'm busy, though, but suspect I can provide some help, I'll put in a quick answer, which the asker can take or leave.
In another, dare I say more intelligent and reflective, term help forum I frequent, the following is often seen when answers are posted: "perhaps this can serve as a starting point for your future research".
| | | | | Correct use of words! | Aug 23, 2009 |
Helen Shiner wrote:
Many women, and, indeed, men have been subject to true stalking, which is a very serious crime and very frightening for the victim. To describe this in terms of that language is exaggerated and unnecessary. Might you not be doing more damage to the person in question by these claims? Might it not just be a plain old misunderstanding? I am sure it feels unpleasant, but I can't see this is the way to go about dealing with it.
Exactly my point Helen. And I completely agree with you: when accusing someone of something we dislike or consider wrong, we must carefully choose the words we use. Looking for your questions and giving your opinion about them according to Proz's rules is clarly not "stalking".
I think we as translators are the ones to use words with their proper meaning. Otherwise, when "stalking" really takes place, we will never know.
| | | | Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:24
German to English
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| Stalking? Let's get this straight. | Aug 23, 2009 |
I have been sent examples of the responses that you have made, Yasutomo, to disagrees posted to your Kudoz answers. I understand your responses were so rude and insulting, not to mention totally unprofessional, that they were removed by moderators. Your "stalker" is no more a stalker than I am the Queen of Sheba. Perhaps you would care to give the whole picture? Is this perhaps why you will not hand this issue over to moderators to deal with?
| | | | | The same thought struck me | Aug 23, 2009 |
Helen Shiner wrote:
Your "stalker" is no more a stalker than I am the Queen of Sheba.
Stumbling over this thread with a long-ish background task running and deciding that a bit of intrusion into someone else's kudoz life was just the job to pass the time, I took a look at a fairly large random selection of Qs the OP has answered lately, including all the Deu-Eng after the hint posted earlier.
I was also unable to detect any activity that I would call stalking, a large number of disagrees from different people, but also, to be fair, a fair few number of answers selected as the right answer. In short, I really couldn't see what the problem was. That said, of course, some of the stuff could have been removed.
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| Back in the day (*wistful sigh*)... | Aug 23, 2009 |
Angela Dickson wrote:
In another, dare I say more intelligent and reflective, term help forum I frequent, the following is often seen when answers are posted: "perhaps this can serve as a starting point for your future research".
....You could see the same thing here. Maybe you still can - I don't visit kudoz often enough to know.
I remember when this was all fields, you know....
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Helen Shiner wrote:
I have been sent examples of the responses that you have made, Yasutomo, to disagrees posted to your Kudoz answers. I understand your responses were so rude and insulting, not to mention totally unprofessional, that they were removed by moderators. That's interesting indeed.
If it is about one single person anyway, I don't think that it is correct/fair/useful to discuss this in public the way it happens here.
The other person in question should have the possibility to defend his/her position.
Annoying for the colleague that this happens in the weekend.:-(
| | | | Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:24
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I quite agree. This should never have been started as a thread.
| | | | | Hook, line and sinker | Aug 23, 2009 |
Absolutely agree, Helen. And the no fewer than seven contributors who posted these remarks may now be having second thoughts about offering such fulsome sympathy:
…this person should leave you alone, or at least curtail the "disagrees" and associated negative/snide comments….
…This is a personal attack, and should not be allowed….
…May be this person is in competition with you for jobs (in the same language pair)?...
…I think Kanazawa-San is intelligent... See more Absolutely agree, Helen. And the no fewer than seven contributors who posted these remarks may now be having second thoughts about offering such fulsome sympathy:
…this person should leave you alone, or at least curtail the "disagrees" and associated negative/snide comments….
…This is a personal attack, and should not be allowed….
…May be this person is in competition with you for jobs (in the same language pair)?...
…I think Kanazawa-San is intelligent and balanced enough to detect when he is stalked or not…
…this is a deeply unhappy person and hope they get well again….
…the fact that this very person seems to be focussing on disagreeing with him…
…Stalkers do it because they are disturbed…. ▲ Collapse
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Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 04:24
Member (2009)
English to Croatian
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| I also agree | Aug 23, 2009 |
Yasutomo, if you feel some colleagues are not behaving professionally, or even worse, they are being rude and/or are destroying the good psychological climate on the community platform, you will do best by ignoring them. Opening threads like this only feeds such characters. They are fed by your reaction, regardless of what it is like.
So, now you know what you are to do in the future. Or rather what you are NOT to do.
"Ignore mode" works wonders.
| | | | Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:24
German to English
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Lingua 5B wrote:
Yasutomo, if you feel some colleagues are not behaving professionally, or even worse, they are being rude and/or are destroying the good psychological climate on the community platform, you will do best by ignoring them. Opening threads like this only feeds such characters. They are fed by your reaction, regardless of what it is like.
So, now you know what you are to do in the future. Or rather what you are NOT to do.
"Ignore mode" works wonders.
I'm afraid, Lingua 5B, that the boot appears to be firmly on the other foot.
[Edited at 2009-08-23 19:46 GMT]
| | | | Yasutomo Kanazawa
Japan
Local time: 11:24
Member (2005)
English to Japanese
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TOPIC STARTER | Here's the problem | Aug 24, 2009 |
Helen Shiner wrote:
I have been sent examples of the responses that you have made, Yasutomo, to disagrees posted to your Kudoz answers. I understand your responses were so rude and insulting, not to mention totally unprofessional, that they were removed by moderators. Your "stalker" is no more a stalker than I am the Queen of Sheba. Perhaps you would care to give the whole picture? Is this perhaps why you will not hand this issue over to moderators to deal with?
What do you mean by you were sent examples of the responses that you have made? Did someone tell you that the stalker I'm talking about is Mr. XX or M(r)s. YY?
You say that my responses were so rude and insulting, plus unprofessional, but can't you understand why? This particular stalker has been harassing me all along, for some reason I haven't found out yet. In fact, after I started this forum more than 48 hours ago, A has accessed my profile, particularly the KudoZ section including "answered" for more than 45 times. Just to let you know, up till today, A's total visits amount to 60. Is A a crawler (well, in a sense A might be called a crawler since this person has been crawling around my KudoZ area)? Am I all imagining things or overreacting? I don't think so.
If it were possible, I would like to give you the all the details of this person with the exact name to help everybody's time making guessing who I'm talking about, but I'm not allowed to do that. FYI, there were few postings which were already deleted from this forum, since they contained information leading to identifying this particular person.
The only thing I could say is that Ger-Eng pair is just one example, but this person is turning up everywhere I go. That's why A is accessing my profile to see in which language pairs I have contributed to.
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