| Pages in topic: [1 2 3] > | Have you perceived certain harassment or bullying on the KudoZ forum? Thread poster: José Julián Díaz
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I wonder if it’s just my imagination, but have you perceived certain harassment or bullying on the KudoZ forum? Or is it simply that some peers are eagerly looking forward to getting some points or Browniz, or at least some attention with useless comments? I don’t even know what these Browniz or points are for! LOL
What I’m sure I have perceived is some kind of savage rivalry with personal allusions.
And finally, perhaps it’s because I’m old school, but I certainly don’t ... See more I wonder if it’s just my imagination, but have you perceived certain harassment or bullying on the KudoZ forum? Or is it simply that some peers are eagerly looking forward to getting some points or Browniz, or at least some attention with useless comments? I don’t even know what these Browniz or points are for! LOL
What I’m sure I have perceived is some kind of savage rivalry with personal allusions.
And finally, perhaps it’s because I’m old school, but I certainly don’t like “talking” to someone hidden behind a fake name and a fake profile picture. What about you?
I’d like you to share your thoughts on this reflection of mine…
Cheers, my dear peers! ▲ Collapse
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José Julián Díaz wrote:
I wonder if it’s just my imagination, but have you perceived certain harassment or bullying on the KudoZ forum? Or is it simply that some peers are eagerly looking forward to getting some points or Browniz, or at least some attention with useless comments? I don’t even know what these Browniz or points are for! LOL
What I’m sure I have perceived is some kind of savage rivalry with personal allusions.
And finally, perhaps it’s because I’m old school, but I certainly don’t like “talking” to someone hidden behind a fake name and a fake profile picture. What about you?
I’d like you to share your thoughts on this reflection of mine…
Cheers, my dear peers!
As long as it's within the rulez, almost everything is tolerated. That's the nature of this game - the rules allow fakes, whether name, qualifications, even native language(s). Some participants are very eager to gain points and will resort to entertaining methods.  But not all people behind fake/anonymous profiles are unprofessional.
What exactly are you asking? Maybe I'm missing your point.
| | | | Lieven Malaise
Belgium
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Anything on this platform that comes close to harassment or bullying is at best extremely subtle because moderation is quite strict here (which is a good thing). At least users are forced to use some language skills if they want to pick on someone without having their posts deleted, and I think that's very appropriate for a translation forum .
| | | | Tom in London
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I’ve been a very active member for a while and I haven’t noticed nothing of that sort. Like everything else in real life, occasionally things get complicated for whatever reason but for the most part Proz users are rather knowledgeable, helpful, friendly, supportive and professional. Those that are not tend to disappear almost as quickly as they appeared…
P.S. Harassment and bullying shouldn’t be tolerated under any circumstances but I wonder if these are the right words to ... See more I’ve been a very active member for a while and I haven’t noticed nothing of that sort. Like everything else in real life, occasionally things get complicated for whatever reason but for the most part Proz users are rather knowledgeable, helpful, friendly, supportive and professional. Those that are not tend to disappear almost as quickly as they appeared…
P.S. Harassment and bullying shouldn’t be tolerated under any circumstances but I wonder if these are the right words to say what you mean? ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tanja Oresnik 
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I haven't perceived any of this on the forum here, at least not in the topics I usually follow and read. It seems to me that this platform is carefully monitored by moderators, so perhaps it would be useful if you could specify in which topics do the bullying and the harassment occur, so moderators could pay a bit more attention to those?
| | | | | At the risk of sounding like more bullying.... | Jan 19, 2023 |
I think you're referring to this?
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-cardiology/7111532-fa-en-contexto-pna.html
Personally, I don't take offense when someone disagrees with a Kudoz answer of mine, I either defend it with more context/evidence or I agree that my answer is wrong and take it down/hid... See more I think you're referring to this?
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-cardiology/7111532-fa-en-contexto-pna.html
Personally, I don't take offense when someone disagrees with a Kudoz answer of mine, I either defend it with more context/evidence or I agree that my answer is wrong and take it down/hide it. That's the idea behind science and medicine itself.
The comment "I don't think this justifies a 5" is not, in my opinion, bullying or harassment. It's simply stating that you don't provide solid contextual evidence for your answer, something that as you know is super important in medical/science translations. Mistranslating something can have very real consequences for an individual.
The person who made that comment is a regular and well-respected Kudoz contributor and I've never known him to be disrespectful or a bully. I feel like Kudoz is generally a very civil and respectful place. But I guess it's down to an individual's perception, but I do urge you to not take it so personally. It's about the evidence behind the translation/answer provided, not attacking you as an individual, I promise. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:03
Member (2008)
Italian to English
| getting it right | Jan 19, 2023 |
S. Kathryn Jiménez Boyd wrote:
..... provide solid contextual evidence for your answer.....
On the very rare occasions when I have to go to Kudoz to find the correct translation of a particular term that I can't find anywhere else, I often find that most of the suggested answers are completely wrong and very wide of the mark. So despite all the cross-checking, the answer that was selected as the correct one, wasn't.
Kudoz should be renamed Pinchofsalt !
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Lieven Malaise
Belgium
Local time: 18:03
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| Kudoz is mediocre at best | Jan 19, 2023 |
Tom in London wrote:
On the very rare occasions when I have to go to Kudoz to find the correct translation of a particular term that I can't find anywhere else, I often find that most of the suggested answers are completely wrong and very wide of the mark. So despite all the cross-checking, the answer that was selected as the correct one, wasn't.
In general Kudoz answers aren't much better than a machine translation auto-suggest function: it can help you in the right direction, but you can't take it for granted. And that's actually quite normal as Kudoz is (or at least should be) a last resort for desperate translators who really can't find what they are looking for. The answer should be hard as hell to find, or else you shouldn't be asking the question. But if I'm desperate I don't ask a Kudoz question. I contact my client instead (or let the agency contact the end client) who probably knows more about the terminology than any random translator. In the end it is you, the translator, that is responsible for your terminological choices, and only you.
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KudoZ is moderated with a very light touch by fellow translators, and most of the forums with a very heavy touch by ProZ staff, so KudoZ is in some ways the last bastion of the rude and aggressive.
Hence every time I write anything in KudoZ, I get sniped at by a certain person who I dared to disagree with once too often, and nobody intervenes. But it's not what I would call bullying anyway. More childishness.
| | | | | I agree in part | Jan 19, 2023 |
Lieven Malaise wrote: Tom in London wrote:
On the very rare occasions when I have to go to Kudoz to find the correct translation of a particular term that I can't find anywhere else, I often find that most of the suggested answers are completely wrong and very wide of the mark. So despite all the cross-checking, the answer that was selected as the correct one, wasn't. In general Kudoz answers aren't much better than a machine translation auto-suggest function: it can help you in the right direction, but you can't take it for granted. And that's actually quite normal as Kudoz is (or at least should be) a last resort for desperate translators who really can't find what they are looking for. The answer should be hard as hell to find, or else you shouldn't be asking the question. But if I'm desperate I don't ask a Kudoz question. I contact my client instead (or let the agency contact the end client) who probably knows more about the terminology than any random translator. In the end it is you, the translator, that is responsible for your terminological choices, and only you.
I agree with you that it's often better to contact the agency or end client, but the Term Search has helped me out on hundreds of occasions. I've only been using Proz since 2008 but there used to be several people who worked in my language pairs who really knew what they were talking about and you could, and still can, trust their very helpful answers.
| | | | expressisverbis
Portugal
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| It all depends on the context... | Jan 19, 2023 |
José Julián Díaz wrote:
I wonder if it’s just my imagination, but have you perceived certain harassment or bullying on the KudoZ forum?
I don't know if I could say it's a "certain harassment or bullying", but on KudoZ "it all depends on the context"
I also don't take offence for a disagree when it is well founded and I found out I was completely wrong.
But I admit that it bothers me a bit, for example, when the asker doesn't mention the Portuguese variant and out of nowhere I see a disagree like this one: "That's not the way it's used in Brazil".
Yes, it happened to me and I think I'm not the only one. This happens often and it's a bit sad to see.
So, for those who come here with this kind of unprofessional and somewhat arrogant attitude, I have only one polite and professional answer to them.
On the other hand, we can see something totally different and enriching: a few great colleagues who provide their knowledgeable help/experience and good camaraderie, and that's what matters!
Attitudes that are unprofessional and sometimes rude, you just need to ignore it and in case of serious incidents to report them to the mods.
[Edited at 2023-01-19 18:48 GMT]
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Daniel Frisano
Italy
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| Have you noticed? | Jan 19, 2023 |
Curiously enough, when it happens it's usually from some faceless and/or nameless nobody...
| | | | | Depends on the mod | Jan 19, 2023 |
Lieven Malaise wrote:
In general Kudoz answers aren't much better than a machine translation auto-suggest function: it can help you in the right direction, but you can't take it for granted.
I would say that KudoZ answers nowadays are almost always listed as a result of Google research. No personal knowledge/experience or explanation needed any more, a link is enough! So everyone who is good at researches could post an answer, no need to be a translator.
But let's return to topic: in my main LP (IT DE), moderation has seemed to be an optional since many years, while before we had a very strict moderator who reacted immediately. Occasional harasssments are now ignored (tolerated necessarily?) by everyone, which seems, under such circumstances, to be the only solution as the mod anyway never shows up and we have no other choice. So unfortunately everything depends on the moderator.
[Bearbeitet am 2023-01-19 23:02 GMT]
| | | | Lieven Malaise
Belgium
Local time: 18:03
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French to Dutch
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| Part of the problem. | Jan 20, 2023 |
Christel Zipfel wrote:
No personal knowledge/experience or explanation needed any more, a link is enough!
I understand what you are saying, but it's actually part of the problem. Someone else's knowledge, experience or explanation is of little use to me if it can't be backed by third party reference documents or books, which nowadays mostly come in the form of links found through Google Search. So I would say those links are a good thing (or might be a good thing). Anyway, "a respected and experienced fellow translator provided me with the translation" would never be of great help if a client would contest one of my translations.
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