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Balasubramaniam L. 
India
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Sheila Wilson wrote:
I am a European, not an imperialist.
Most Europeans were imperialists, too. 
[Edited at 2016-07-06 16:29 GMT]
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Tom in London wrote: Gabriele Demuth wrote:
...my clients are mainly in Europe ... So are you and so am I One of the problems has always been that the Brits think Europe is somewhere else and that Europeans are "them" (rather than "us"). It's a psychological inability to accept European-ness. [Edited at 2016-07-06 15:49 GMT]
I am not a Brit! I mean the clients are in the Euro-Zone, but maybe I have adjusted to this way of putting things.
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Thomas T. Frost wrote: Robert Rietvelt wrote:
Don't worry, your bill wil come. Somebody has to pay for brexit! When you accept to be paid in foreign currency, you know there is a risk/chance of exchange rate fluctuations, Brexit or not. Historical fluctuations of the pound, the dollar and many other currencies have already been much larger than the moderate drop of the pound relative to the euro after the Brexit vote, and the pound has already been lower in the past few years than it is now. When I quote rates in foreign currency, I always do it with the caveat that said rate is only valid as long as there are only minor exchange rate fluctuations. That you didn't do that has nothing to do with Brexit but is a normal part of dealing with foreign currency. There are always pros and cons involved in exchange rate fluctuations. You may find, for example, that it has become cheaper now to buy certain goods and services in the UK rather than in the Eurozone, as your euros now buy more in the UK than they did before.
If this is meant as an answer on my input (you quote me), then unfortunately you haven't understood me correctly. I am way beyond the exchange rates here. I am talking about the price the British population has to pay for brexit, and they are going to pay dearly. This foolish decision doesn't come for free!
[Edited at 2016-07-06 19:01 GMT]
| | | | | That's just your personal opinion | Jul 6, 2016 |
Robert Rietvelt wrote:
If this is meant as an answer on my input (you quote me), then unfortunately you haven't understood me correctly. I am way beyond the exchange rates here. I am talking about the costs of brexit for the UK, they are going to pay dearly, and with they I mean the British population. This foolish decision doesn't come free!
That's just your personal opinion; you don't have a crystal ball to see if the UK will gain or lose. The EU has been going in the sink for many years now and has the worst economic performance of any developed region in the world, so I personally think it's very wise to cut loose from it before it's too late. The millions of unemployed young people in southern Europe are already paying dearly for the foolish way the EU is run. But I have noticed that people in favour of the EU don't seem to care whatever disasters the EU is causing.
Time will tell if this was as foolish as you think, and you have no rational evidence to demonstrate that this decision should be foolish. The Brits as well as the Danes were promised doom and disaster if they rejected the euro, but their countries are doing better than the Eurozone as a whole, and both Norway and Switzerland are doing well outside the EU, so I don't listen to all the EU doom-mongers who put on the same scare record every time there is a decision to be made.
But what we personally think is quite irrelevant to this topic. The pound has dropped a bit, and the markets have moved a bit, but that's all until now. No Armageddon yet.
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| You are right of course | Jul 6, 2016 |
Thomas T. Frost wrote: Robert Rietvelt wrote:
If this is meant as an answer on my input (you quote me), then unfortunately you haven't understood me correctly. I am way beyond the exchange rates here. I am talking about the costs of brexit for the UK, they are going to pay dearly, and with they I mean the British population. This foolish decision doesn't come free! That's just your personal opinion; you don't have a crystal ball to see if the UK will gain or lose. The EU has been going in the sink for many years now and has the worst economic performance of any developed region in the world, so I personally think it's very wise to cut loose from it before it's too late. The millions of unemployed young people in southern Europe are already paying dearly for the foolish way the EU is run. But I have noticed that people in favour of the EU don't seem to care whatever disasters the EU is causing. Time will tell if this was as foolish as you think, and you have no rational evidence to demonstrate that this decision should be foolish. The Brits as well as the Danes were promised doom and disaster if they rejected the euro, but their countries are doing better than the Eurozone as a whole, and both Norway and Switzerland are doing well outside the EU, so I don't listen to all the EU doom-mongers who put on the same scare record every time there is a decision to be made. But what we personally think is quite irrelevant to this topic. The pound has dropped a bit, and the markets have moved a bit, but that's all until now. No Armageddon yet.
But I don't think I need a crystal ball, it is just a matter of logic.
| | | | | Nothing to do with logic | Jul 6, 2016 |
Robert Rietvelt wrote:
But I don't think I need a crystal ball, it is just a matter of logic.
Logic is something completely different, for example 'if a > b and b > c, then a > c'.
If the EU's economy had been steaming ahead of everybody else, it would have been easier to follow your reasoning, but it's the exact opposite.
But you seem vindicative: if people don't think like you, they should suffer. You're still in the EU, so why is it such a big deal for you that others no longer want to be?
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Thomas T. Frost wrote: Robert Rietvelt wrote:
But I don't think I need a crystal ball, it is just a matter of logic. Logic is something completely different, for example 'if a > b and b > c, then a > c'. If the EU's economy had been steaming ahead of everybody else, it would have been easier to follow your reasoning, but it's the exact opposite. But you seem vindicative: if people don't think like you, they should suffer. You're still in the EU, so why is it such a big deal for you that others no longer want to be?
But I think you can answer that question for yourself, or else you have absolutely no idea what is on stake.
[Edited at 2016-07-06 19:52 GMT]
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Robert Rietvelt wrote:
But I think you can answer that question for yourself, or else you have absolutely no idea what is on stake.
If I understood why some people are so enamoured by the EU while its economy is crumbling, I wouldn't ask.
What is at stake is people's freedom to decide their own future, and that's something the EU's mandarins and their henchmen hate, just as in any totalitarian system.
All you do is pour bile on those who dare to think differently, without a shadow of rational arguments. Instead, you’re in complete denial about the major problems the EU is causing, and you haven’t explained how to apply your ‘logic’ to the millions of unemployed in the EU. 50 % youth unemployment in Greece and 25 % in France, for example. What do you think is at stake for them?
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Thomas T. Frost wrote: Robert Rietvelt wrote:
But I think you can answer that question for yourself, or else you have absolutely no idea what is on stake. If I understood why some people are so enamoured by the EU while its economy is crumbling, I wouldn't ask. What is at stake is people's freedom to decide their own future, and that's something the EU's mandarins and their henchmen hate, just as in any totalitarian system. All you do is pour bile on those who dare to think differently, without a shadow of rational arguments. Instead, you’re in complete denial about the major problems the EU is causing, and you haven’t explained how to apply your ‘logic’ to the millions of unemployed in the EU. 50 % youth unemployment in Greece and 25 % in France, for example. What do you think is at stake for them?
Leaving the EU would solve those problems? See all the the populists, big mouth, no answers, they even leave the stage after making havock = disaster at the end. Furthermore, we had this discussion before (have a look). (See the speech of Frans Timmermans today in the European Parliament).
I will have a look at the attick, I think my grandmother has left me a crystal ball. If I find it, I will sent it to you.
[Edited at 2016-07-06 22:26 GMT]
| | | | | Let's keep the discussion on-topic | Jul 6, 2016 |
Hello,
This is just a reminder to keep the discussion on-topic, on how you think the profession will be affected by these events. Thank you.
Best regards,
Alejandro
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| The youth vote | Jul 6, 2016 |
Thomas T. Frost wrote:
50 % youth unemployment in Greece and 25 % in France, for example. What do you think is at stake for them?
And yet the British youth vote was to stay in the EU.
Let's hope that they, including the percentage among them that have aspirations to become - or already are - translators, find that they have a good future ahead of them. We can't really say it will be better or worse, without that proverbial crystal ball. But all Brexit voters will have them to answer to if things get worse.
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Sheila Wilson wrote: Thomas T. Frost wrote:
50 % youth unemployment in Greece and 25 % in France, for example. What do you think is at stake for them? And yet the British youth vote was to stay in the EU.
The British youth unemployment is just 13 %. Spain: 45 %. Italy: 39 %. Portugal: 30 %. I would like to see an EU vote in these countries, but of course, they are not asked.
The misery the EU is causing is not good for any profession, translators included. Just one example: the more unemployment there is, the more benefits are needed, and the more taxes and social contributions those who do work have to pay. That makes it difficult to make a decent living out of translation in certain countries hit by the EU's self-inflicted crisis.
If anything, I think the freedom from the EU's bureaucracy will end up making it more attractive for translators and others to make a living in the UK while the ideological euro keeps tearing the Eurozone apart, and that should benefit translators there. Why so much negativity? If the EU had been such a success, voters would have flocked to stay in. And when the EU and the euro finally come crashing down under the weight of all their contradictions and waste, the UK will have established a solid base on their own. They may need concrete barriers to keep translator refugees out from the collapsed EU.
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Balasubramaniam L.
India
Local time: 04:50
Member (2006)
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TOPIC STARTER SITE LOCALIZER | Brexit and science | Jul 8, 2016 |
Here is an insightful interview of the President of the Royal Society and Nobel Laureate Prof. Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, who would be one of the key persons negotiating a new deal with EU on science and research post Brexit.
It throws light on how British science, and also science in the EU, would be affected by Brexit. It could contain useful information for science translators in bo... See more Here is an insightful interview of the President of the Royal Society and Nobel Laureate Prof. Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, who would be one of the key persons negotiating a new deal with EU on science and research post Brexit.
It throws light on how British science, and also science in the EU, would be affected by Brexit. It could contain useful information for science translators in both the EU and the UK:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/venkatraman-ramakrishnan-explains-the-challenges-to-science-in-the-uk-postbrexit/article8820215.ece?homepage=true
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